E19 - Acculturating to Canada & Slovakia Travel Tips

E19 - Acculturating to Canada & Slovakia Travel Tips

Nolan talks to his friend and former colleague Eva Briatkova about her acculturation and immigration experiences in Canada. They discuss what it was like for her to find work as a nurse and paramedic, cultural comparisons in drug use and open-mindedness, why nurses love to party, the experiential marketing world, acculturation techniques, and more. You'll also get some tips about travelling in Slovakia.

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[Voices] Inescapably, inescapably.</v>


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[Nolan] Inescapably Foreign. Welcome to Without Borders. I'm your host,</v>


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Nolan Yuma. If this is your first time tuning into the show,


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know that this is the show for expats, nomads, immigrants, refugees,


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third culture kids, or anyone else that feels inescapably foreign.


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And remember, if you are an English language learner,


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I also provide a bunch of interesting articles and written stories there as


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well. Today I'm here with Eva Briatkova. Uh,


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she is from Slovakia and has been living in Vancouver,


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Canada for the past 12 years. Her background is in nursing,


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but she's now currently working as a paramedic and a first aid, uh,


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instructor we met in, uh, the experimental marketing world.


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We'll touch on that later. Uh, but Eva, how are you? How are you doing today?


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[Eva] Very


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Well. Nice to see you.</v>


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[Nolan] It's good to see you too. We haven't seen each other well.</v>


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We spoke a little bit yesterday, but we haven't seen each other in six year,


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or no, I think eight years. Yeah, that's great. Before that.


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[Eva] Yeah, it had been a while.</v>


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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so where, where are you right now?</v>


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[Eva] I'm on Vancouver Island for a holiday for this, uh, winter season. Yeah.</v>


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Enjoying a quiet time from a hectic Vancouver.


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[Nolan] Yeah. Okay. So, uh, why has your life been so hectic lately?</v>


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[Eva] Um, I think Vancouver's become hectic. Um, when you get a little bit of snow,</v>


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everything is hectic in Vancouver, [laughter], so you have to disappear. [laughter]


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[Nolan] Yeah. Uh,</v>


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maybe some listeners might be surprised by that because often would you go


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traveling? And you mentioned that you're from Canada.


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People just picture snow right away. Sure. But that's not the case in Vancouver,


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right? Yeah. Um, so what brought you to Canada originally?


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[Eva] Um, [laughter] , my story is, um,</v>


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that I follow pretty much someone else’s dream, be honest to you.


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And now I live in my own dream. But, uh, yeah, I used to be in love with, uh,


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that time. My ex-husband, he was from Czech Republic, and, um,


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that was his dream. He used to do extreme sports,


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so it was always his dream to visit. And we visit first, and I love it. Um,


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I just didn't know how the immigration process gonna take and how long that's


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gonna take. Um, but yeah,


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I kind of follow a person and his dream and it becomes my,


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my life. So yeah, that's my story.


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[Nolan] Okay. Well let, let's uh, get into some of the details there.</v>


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What was the immigration process like for you?


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[Eva] Um, Canada wasn't the first country. So I previously,</v>


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prior to Canada, I went to Czech Republic, Austria, and then Ireland.


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And, uh, so when I came to Canada, I didn't expect, uh, as much,


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um, time to get through all the immigrations papers and the process actually,


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um, it was, it was hard to apply, um, to any type of,


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of, uh, working visa for me as a nurse,


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as our education doesn't transfer,


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so my credential didn't transfer that time. Um, and you know, using time, right?


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Like, so the more you're waiting for your credentials, the skills and uh,


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the knowledge, um, has a certain time of limit, you can use it for, let's say,


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evaluation or challenge the exams. So unfortunately,


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That takes quite while about about five years. Uh, so you have a temporary visa,


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but you need to have a permanent resident, if I'm not mistaken,


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and then the citizen to be working as a nurse, you know, or in,


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in any type of healthcare industry. So for me, uh, the goal was to get,


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getting back to my job as soon as possible to not lose my credentials. But, um,


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it didn't work that way. So that's why we met in an experiential marketing.


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[Nolan] Yeah. So, but so why didn't it work out that way?</v>


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So you said you have five years to challenge the exams?


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[Eva] Uh, no. Five years to get all my visa in a process. So it was a long, oh,</v>


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uh, it was a long time because they change, um,


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quite the rules quite often, right?


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So one year you can apply for a type of visa that certain type of


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work, uh, is illegible. But for nurses, I haven't had that luck.


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So again, my — simply put it, my, my, um,


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credentials didn't transfer to here. Right.


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So I would need to go back to school.


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[Nolan] I hear that a lot in, in Canada's case, like doctors, nurses,</v>


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even teachers. I know a teacher from England, uh, she had a master's degree,


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uh, 20 years of experience, came to British Columbia and then they said,


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no, you can't teach in the public schools here.


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And then there's a shortage of teachers. Yeah. It's just like,


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there's no logic to it whatsoever. It's ridiculous.


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[Eva] Yeah, it’s just like you have a shortage of nurses as well, right?


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but I would boldly say with nurses again, and not even doctors, like, um,


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you really have to practice your skill.


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Medicine is improving all the time


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and you have very limited time to just be, you know, on the track.


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[Nolan] So That's true. Yeah. </v>


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[Eva] That's a good, I was in the ICU, so that's very specific, um, field to have, uh,</v>


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your diploma and, and it's just,


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it's not really easy to just keep up with everything when you are practicing.


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[Nolan] Okay. Now what if we're comparing quality of life because, um,</v>


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I have to look at the numbers,


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but it was 20 something thousand a year that you can get paid as


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a paramedic, um, and as a nurse, uh, in Slovakia.


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But of course the living expenses are way lower than in Vancouver,


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Canada and in Canada in general. Um,


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and just looking at that wage for relating it to in Spain, um,


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which I think is probably a little bit more, more expensive than Slovakia,


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but you could get, you could get by,


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like you would have a decent life with that wage. Yeah. Um,


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and then I was looking at the wages in, in Canada,


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and they're kind of all over the place with paramedics,


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and I know you're part of a union, so we can't get into the specifics there.


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I read that starting out you can end up getting paid less than minimum wage,


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$2 an hour, um,


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which is sounds horrific to me because I think paramedics should be


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celebrated in our society. It's one of the most important jobs. And then,


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but it doesn't look like it goes up quite a bit. Yeah, right.


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It looks like you can end up making a good, uh, wage with seniority.


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Um, but what would you say,


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cause I know you can't get into the specifics about the numbers,


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but just when we're talking about quality of life, um,


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do you feel like you can have a much higher quality of life in Vancouver,


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Canada as a paramedic?


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Or would you have a higher quality of life in Slovakia?


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[Eva] That's a very good question. Um,</v>


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and we can take it from many perspectives. So, um,


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I believe in, first of all, I believe in terms of the money,


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like once you enter healthcare industry,


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you doing that from, from your heart, from the help to others, right?


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It's just, it's not always about like you wanna become a rich person for sure.


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And I think that's speaking for most of people. But, um, yeah,


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quality of life in terms of what can I afford and, um,


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how much I can travel, what can I experience in one day, for example, or,


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um, then I would say in here for sure,


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in terms of, uh,


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education and a free education and a good healthcare,


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getting in surgery the same day,


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you seeing your GP having insurance, that will be Slovakia. Like,


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we still have the standard of, um,


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kind of a social system that builds, um, in, in,


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so it's a care for people in a, in a really different way than in Vancouver.


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You know, like if you have lots of benefits.


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[Nolan] Okay. So you, you find that there's a, a stronger social safety net?</v>


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Yes.


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[Eva] That's true. A hundred percent.</v>


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[Nolan] In the health sector.</v>


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[Eva] Yeah. Oh, in, in the health sector in, um, yeah. If you need, uh,</v>


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benefits for any kinds or if you elderly or if you handicap or anything that you


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need, or if you, if you're a good student but you don't have money to study,


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that's, that's definitely you can, you can achieve, um,


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much more back home. Yeah.


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And the healthcare is unbelievably uncomparable. It's just, we,


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we do have a preventable measures, so you have to have your GP,


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there is no way that you can just have GP at home. Um,


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you have to show up to annual screening and, uh, you pretty much have,


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we call it [inaudible]


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So basically the doctor would know when they see you in the ER that


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you're no


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you were born in this and this time and previous surgeries and yeah.


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Everything is documented. So, um,


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it's easy for access if you're in, for example, if you're in emergency.


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So it's very different.


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[Nolan] Yeah. Cuz that in Canada some things are documented, um,</v>


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but then some things aren't when it comes to vaccinations. Like, uh, I think,


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I think I actually did lose my travel vaccination booklet and that kind of


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screws me over in Canada because it's not in the system.


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[Eva] Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a different, yeah. Well,</v>


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one of my colleague called Antique, and I think that's a good word for it.


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It's like, uh, like it's something older. Even if the, the country's very new.


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It's, everything is a little bit slower that way. Like, yeah.


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[Nolan]  So you feel, you feel in Canada it's slower?</v>


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[Eva] Yeah, I would, I would say, yeah. Yeah.</v>


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[Nolan] Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. That, that's interesting because, well,</v>


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I'm in Spain right now, right. Um, and I've lived in Belgium, uh,


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well lived in, lived in Vietnam and Chile as well, but actually long term,


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mostly just Belgium, Spain, and Canada. And out of those three countries,


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Belgian's Healthcare System is the best. Um,


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it is one of the best healthcare systems in the world.


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I just found the qual, of course,


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talking partially about personal experience and partially from statistics as


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for instance, once, uh, in Canada,


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I had a mole in my tear duct,


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and of course that could have been melanoma.


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And I went to one doctor in Canada and he said, yeah, that could be melanoma,


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[laughter]  I said, oh, okay. Uh, so what do I do now? And he said, well,


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I'm actually retiring soon, so I'm gonna send you to another doctor [laughter]


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I was like, nice. Okay. Yeah.


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I guess you're not that passionate about your work anymore.


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Sends me to another doctor then, uh, the other doctor looks at my eye,


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says, yeah, could be melanoma. I was like, okay, what are you gonna do?


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He's like, I gotta take a picture and send it to another doctor.


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Takes a picture with his iPhone, [laughter] sends it to another doctor.


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Then I go to that other doctor, um, [laughter]  And then they say,


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yeah, uh, it could be, it could be melanoma, it could be skill, skin cancer.


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Um, but we could take a biopsy,


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but if the biopsy doesn't go correctly, then the cancer can spread.


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So I don't really know. And then at that point,


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my mom got into it and she was like, okay, fuck this. Um,


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we're talking to a doctor in Belgium. Uh,


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luckily we were going to Belgium anyways,


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ended up getting into a hospital right away. Yeah. Um, they said,


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biopsy will, if you do the biopsy correctly, there's no chance of it spreading.


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Yeah. And he said, I'm a professional, I'll do it pro, I'll do it correctly.


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Yeah. So took the biopsy,


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ended up not being skin cancer and everything was fine. Um,


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but it was just like the whole process was faster. The,


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the quality was much higher. Yeah. Um,


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[Eva] I’m glad to hear. Yeah. That's, that's, uh, quite terrifying. Well, funny,</v>


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but not if few when your, the patient, right? Yeah.


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[Nolan] Yeah. Uh, unbelievable. Uh, but then here in Spain, um,</v>


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I definitely miss the healthcare system in Canada. Um,


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like here it's so many of the doctor offices close because you have,


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even in the healthcare system, you have, um, the Siesta culture and


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that's right.


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The culture of just taking paro and taking paro is taking EI


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and, um, taking, or no, not, not paro, sorry, uh, puente, which is,


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um, when you have a holiday and then you take another holiday between the two


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holiday days.


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[Eva] [laughter] </v>


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[Nolan] So there are times where it's really difficult to get to get into a doctor's</v>


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office. Yeah. So usually if something is wrong with me, I go to the emergency.


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Yeah. Which is something I don't want to do morally because I feel like


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emergency should only be for emergency for emergencies, [laughter] ,


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but it's just the only way I can get, get to see a doctor right away. Yeah. Uh,


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what, what do you think about that? Am I being morally [laughter]  wrong there?


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[Eva] No, no, no. My sister used to live in Spain and uh,</v>


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she would say the same in terms of a post office as well. Like,


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she have to time which day and which particular hour.


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If she wanna send something somewhere, it's just, it's, I think they quite know.


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I, I don't know how much is in Italy is the same. But yeah, I heard,


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I heard Spain is definitely, uh, in Slovakia, we have no siesta.


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People actually are well known by working like, um, out, uh,


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around the clock. They're really hard workers, I would say. So. Um,


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and it's very nice to see, you know, that when I travel, um,


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and I immigrate wherever you call it, in different countries,


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the Slovaks usually have a pretty good reputation in terms of how they work.


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Uh, so, um, yeah, I think the laziness is not built in us for sure.


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I would love to actually that's a good idea to start with siesta with the


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ambulance. I would love to do siesta with the ambulance, that's for sure. [laughter] ,


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I think I will bring it up. [laughter]  Yeah, that will be fun. That will be fun.


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[Nolan] Nice. Um, well, yeah, so Slovakia, I read about that too,</v>


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that Slovakians are hard workers and it's definitely part of the,


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part of the culture. Yeah. Um, actually when I was reading about, um,


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when I was looking up, uh, Slovakian person, or Slovak, sorry,


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personality traits, um, that popped up.


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it always pops up related to women. And it's like, um, could,


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I guess Slovak women have a reputation to be very beautiful [laughter]


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And then half of it's like the type of personality you need to be able to have a


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Slovak woman. And one of of it was like, work really hard. Be a hard worker.


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[Eva] [laughter]  Oh, that's, you know what, that's probably true. That's probably true.</v>


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Yeah. I would say.


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[Nolan] Now what do you feel about in Canada? Do you feel, or, okay,</v>


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let's talk about the West Coast in Vancouver. First though.


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Do you feel like the work culture there is fast, uh,


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compared to Slovak or, uh, Slovakia? Or is it, um, slower?


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Is it more laid back?


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[Eva] Um, definitely laid back more, I would say.</v>


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And this is coming depends if you go to experiential marketing or


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healthcare, uh,


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because I can see the nurses and paramedic working in working really hard in


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here as well as anywhere else. Uh, with experience marketing.


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I remember a couple times where we show up and team of 20, 2 of them show up.


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So I don't know if that's just a young generation, but, um, yeah,


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I think I have like mixed, uh, experience. Depends which field,


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but I think people are just people.


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So if you do have a quite standard and morals and then you grow up in the family


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who show you that and, and then you're probably a hard worker. Um, but yeah,


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it's definitely, there is no,


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this is the first time that I heard that if you really feel, for example,


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unwell, um, you really have to explain at home what's going on.


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And sometimes you have to see the proof.


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So you have to go to your doctor and you send it to your chief and you show that


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you broke finger or you have a flu. Uh,


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in here people will just tell you to stay home and get better,


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and please take as much long time as you need.


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So that's definitely different than I remember back from Europe. Um.


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[Nolan] But I, that depends on the job. Cause I, okay. </v>


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First let's quickly explain what experimental marketing is, um,


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because some listeners might not know.


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So we met doing experimental marketing. Um,


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we could,


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you could also call us brand ambassadors and in some cases promo models.


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Yeah. Um, [laughter]  promotional models, right.


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And what we would do is set up different campaigns


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and we, it would always be an in-person live experience,


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and it could be something at a big event, um,


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where we would have us booth set up at, let's say a concert,


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or it could be something more experimental where we're really just walking


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around with a bag of goodies and getting people to sign up,


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getting people to have a good experience with a product. Um,


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but that's kind of what we did.


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And that could switch from week to week because we were contract workers.


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Uh, for instance, one week I might be, um, promoting organic,


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um, granola bars and the next week I might be promoting cigarettes.


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[Eva] [laughter] </v>


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[Nolan] [laughter]  Right. Um, so yeah.</v>


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You, you think that in the work culture it was a little bit different with


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experimental marketing,


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but I remember when we worked with people from out east in Canada,


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they said how much slower and lazier we were in the


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west of Canada.


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[Eva] True, true. Yeah. It is also, it's such a,</v>


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it is such a wonderful experience when you are,


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when you doing experience marketing,


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don't you think like you meet so many people from different, uh,


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countries and most of them, I believe they wanna be actors or musicians,


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right? So quite talented bunch of people and um, yeah.


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I believe there was always kind of a sidekick for most of them.


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So I never really take that as a,


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as a reflection of how they would normally work and what's their work ethic.


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Because I always thought like, that's just a geek for them, right. So I believe,


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like I saw most of the experience marketing people when they were trying to do


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audition and they work over the clock overnight,


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try to memorize stuff and then just, you know,


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giving a chocolate or working on a car, uh, car model,


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they will just be a little bit more lazy, I would say, right.


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So it's just kind of a hard to, um,


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judge like how lazy or not lazy people are in that,


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in that particular field because it was more like fun for all of us, I believe,


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than actually a job.


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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah.</v>


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And now that I'm not in the industry anymore and you're not either,


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I think we can be honest about some of the things that happened. [laughter]


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[Eva] [laughter] </v>


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[Nolan] Um, but there there were campaigns where I worked my ass off because</v>


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as you said, you're with a good group of people.


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And sometimes they're really fun. Uh,


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sometimes you have a good management team and you just want to get the product


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out there because you think it's a cool product, you're in a good environment.


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Um, but there were other times because as you said, it was a side gig,


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it was just for money and you actually wanna focus on something else.


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We would cheat the system big time, [laughter]  like you, um,


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I remember this was during, I'm not gonna say which campaign.


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[Eva]  Obviously. Yeah. Um,


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but it was during the hurricane in the Philippines


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And we were getting paid nine hours a day or something like


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that, and we had to hand out so many, um, so much of this product,


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[laughter]  And of course you have to get the pictures as proof, right.


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Cuz you also need to have the pictures for,


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for the marketing purposes afterwards. Yeah.


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On social media or just for internal marketing purposes.


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And [laughter], we would get all the pictures done within an hour,


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even though we're getting paid for eight or nine.


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And then we took all the granola, uh, so Okay. [laughter]  Okay. Granola bars.


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I'm not gonna say the names was granola bars, um,


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I'm not gonna say the name of the company.


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Then we brought them to, um,


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I forget which charity it was,


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but they shipped all the granola bars to the Philippines. [Eva] Oh, that's beautiful.


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To help out there. Yeah.


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[Eva] That's nice.</v>


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[Nolan] Yeah. We we did a good thing. Yeah. But really, like, it was not what the,</v>


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the company would've wanted. Of course we would've,


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we would've gotten fired if Yeah. They found.


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[Eva] Out. Yeah. The granola bars was funny. Ones any chocolate and granola bars,</v>


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I feel like you remember that people know you by the face. Depends what,


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like some, did you work as a mascot ever?


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[Nolan] No, I didn't do any of the mascot ones.</v>


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[Eva] I did so many different, um, plays as a mascot and,</v>


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and I never knew what to do.


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I remember I was on the PNE as a bear getting a chocolate.


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I have no idea where the children's are because I couldn't see in front of me.


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I just randomly move. And I was, I always think that's very unsafe.


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But I always love when people remember you with the chocolate, when the,


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when the, the, I would say the,


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the promotion begin and then during the summer when they see you with the


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chocolate to offer you a chocolate, they're just a run away from you. Like,


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it's just, it was so much certain products, so much chocolate,


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so much granola bars. We went to shelters, we went to schools,


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we went to everywhere. And sometimes they just said no anymore [laughter]  Like,


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it's just, yeah, I remember.


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So it is a alone and lot of trucks for chocolates for sure. And, and, uh, yeah,


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in beginning everyone wants it.


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So people ask if they can have more and a month or two was just kind of like,


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you are the person who have to beg them to get the chocolate.


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[Nolan] But just to bring this into the cultural aspect,</v>


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because of course this show is all about culture.


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Experimental marketing doesn't really exist outside of Canada


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and, uh, the United States. Why do you think that is?


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[Eva] No idea. Um, I haven't studied marketing, so that's a good questions. But, uh,</v>


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yeah, we, we don't, I never remembered that in Europe. Um,


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there are certain commercials,


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I don't know how it's how much they have for budget. Um, no idea. Really,


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No idea.


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[Nolan] So I asked someone about it, um, and they said it's because, uh,</v>


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North Americans are more likely to show customer loyalty to a specific


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brand. Um,


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but I don't know if that's true because I meet so many people here that,


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you know, once they're Apple users, they're Apple users


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or when it comes to cars, it's not another level here. Right?


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like the rivalry between BMW, Audi, and


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uh, Mercedes in Europe is just huge. Yeah.


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So that answer didn't make sense to me.


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So what do you think, because that, that's what I read,


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that's talking to marketing specialists, but just from your own opinion,


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what else do you think it could be?


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[Eva] Um, I, I would say this is a,</v>


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definitely a part of this, uh, uh, finances in budget for sure.


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I can see that the culture back home. And I've really just,


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this is just what I,


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what I think is that maybe if you give too many products for free,


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it will be very, uh, fast gone. Uh,


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remember the chocolate kind of example that I said, um,


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and it might be just going back to the communist side that people didn't have as


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much. So I'm not sure how they will go if,


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if you have lots of people just offering a free products everywhere. Um,


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maybe slowly you can expose and they get used to it. But, um,


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I don't think we knew that. So I think there will be a,


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maybe a line of people who will stay for chocolates, just like back in the,


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you know, eighties, I'm not sure.


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But also I think that no one's gonna sit in a car and do a test drive


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and sit with some stranger next to them and drag them around the cities in a


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stick. You know what I mean? Like, that's when I, um,


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when I think about back in the time when we used to do a test drive,


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I think that was the f the,


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that was the definitely freakiest time when you sit next to a stranger


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and you have to just believe that's,


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it's not a psychopath who's gonna just run through the wall. Like,


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can you imagine? Like, we were in the, in our twenties, so everything was fun,


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but now when I thought about it, like,


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I sit to so many people through so many cities, [laughter] , and they were like, oh,


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how fast it's gonna go. I'm like, Ooh,


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is this really what I'm doing for a living? Oh, it's like, oh, you know?


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[Nolan] Right. Like, remember when we were in Whistler and we just, we had the,</v>


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the new Jeeps and we just took people on an obstacle course. Yeah.


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So they could have killed us. Well, one guy, a few people almost did kill me.


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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Like on that obstacle course, he, you're like, okay,


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you can't go over 60. And then they would just gun it.


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[Eva] Yeah. And then you have like, it was through the crank works.</v>


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So everywhere were like a free booze and there is no way to test an alcohol.


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For me, that's a huge component, right. It was like, oh,


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you have a sign this favor, you didn't consume any alcohol. Its like,


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who are you gonna believe? They're like, you know, 21,


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they have fun and crank works, so of course they have couple beers.


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[Nolan] Yeah and Crank Works.</v>


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[Eva] Everyone's partying. So it's, it was,</v>


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it was definitely something I would never do again. Um.


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[Nolan] But that's the strange thing about it too,</v>


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because usually in Canada I find that there are more rules


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than in Europe. Yeah. Right.


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You go to a ski resort in Canada and you just see how safe everything is set up.


435

00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.120

Yeah. Right. The chair lifts,


436

00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:49.960

you're boxed in and then you go to a European ski resort and like


437

00:25:50.290 --> 00:25:53.160

they're, they're fine, but it's


438

00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.880

They don't have the same safety standards or they're just not as obsessed with,


439

00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.800

uh, little rules and stuff. But then all of a sudden with the marketing world,


440

00:26:00.800 --> 00:26:04.360

it's completely different. It, it's strange. Yeah.


441

00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:08.640

Or like another thing I thought about, maybe it's because


442

00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:14.620

there, there are more rules that they have the experimental marketing,


443

00:26:14.620 --> 00:26:18.140

because experimental marketing, we were always in a gray zone


444

00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:22.420

with legal in legality. Right? Yeah. And for instance, like,


445

00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:27.180

uh, advertising cigarettes is illegal in Canada. Yeah.


446

00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:31.780

Not in Germany. Right? Yeah. There you can still find advertisements,


447

00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:34.540

but then in Canada there's just always loopholes.


448

00:26:34.540 --> 00:26:37.620

Like I remember when we were marketing, well not, not you,


449

00:26:37.620 --> 00:26:41.500

I don't think you were in this one, but when I was marketing, um,


450

00:26:42.350 --> 00:26:45.800

uh, e-cigarettes, there were little loopholes.


451

00:26:45.800 --> 00:26:50.480

Like we weren't allowed to say that e-cigarettes were healthier than normal


452

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.560

cigarettes. That would be illegal.


453

00:26:53.100 --> 00:26:56.760

But we were allowed to go up to people and say, oh,


454

00:26:57.130 --> 00:27:01.080

we have an, a tobacco product that is less harmful Ooh.


455

00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:04.240

Than cigarettes less harmful


456

00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.880

could imply that you're talking about combustion,


457

00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:11.320

cuz you're not lighting anything on fire with the e-cigarette


458

00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:15.240

but of course in a customer's mind, they're not gonna make that association.


459

00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.160

Yeah. It's just so there's a legal loophole there.


460

00:27:18.530 --> 00:27:21.800

Or we would set a big event, um,


461

00:27:21.820 --> 00:27:26.560

and then at the end everyone would get a goodie bag with cigarettes inside,


462

00:27:26.560 --> 00:27:29.800

but it was a white goodie bag so you couldn't see it, right.


463

00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:33.040

So in the end saying like, oh, uh, it's not allowed,


464

00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:36.560

you're not allowed to advertise tobacco in Canada's just bullshit. Yeah.


465

00:27:36.560 --> 00:27:37.880

It's just, yeah.


466

00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.400

[Eva] See the, the drinking alcohol was quite fun when I came to Canada to,</v>


467

00:27:43.150 --> 00:27:44.880

people cannot drink publicly.


468

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.840

And also there is just a limitation where you can get the alcohol,


469

00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:51.400

like liquor stores and stuff that's also not known in Europe, right?


470

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.040

like you can buy it anywhere you want in any hour you want.


471

00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:56.920

And the bars doesn't have any closing times,


472

00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.240

most of the time they're running till the morning. And um,


473

00:28:00.940 --> 00:28:04.480

you don't have to hide your alcohol when you're sitting in the park or you're


474

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.680

going to a beach or you're going somewhere on the party.


475

00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.640

You don't have to have any plastic back. So it is quite rules and not rules.


476

00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.320

So it depends how you take it. For sure. Um, yeah


477

00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:16.940

[Nolan] Now, in my opinion,</v>


478

00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:21.540

that's always kind of influenced the drinking culture as well because in,


479

00:28:21.670 --> 00:28:24.780

um, I find in many European countries or,


480

00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:28.300

what's the quote that my dad would say for, in Belgium?


481

00:28:28.910 --> 00:28:33.300

In Belgium people get drunk because they like to drink


482

00:28:33.950 --> 00:28:37.900

in Canada, people drink because they like to get drunk.


483

00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:42.260

Uh, and then just relating that to the rules is like if you have,


484

00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.340

cuz prohibition actually wasn't that long ago. Right?


485

00:28:46.340 --> 00:28:48.220

And then you still have all these other rules. Yeah.


486

00:28:48.310 --> 00:28:50.940

It still has this feeling of something wrong. Right.


487

00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:54.180

So you gotta drink it quickly. Yeah. You gotta do it hidden, but that's not,


488

00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:57.500

you shouldn't drink like that. Drinking should be something that you do slowly.


489

00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:01.330

Yeah. Right. Enjoy, um, enjoy it.


490

00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:05.130

So do you think there is a diff big difference in drinking culture between


491

00:29:05.370 --> 00:29:06.450

Slovakia and Canada?


492

00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:11.130

[Eva] Um, not that I see that much. I think, um,</v>


493

00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:14.570

I think people are drinking everywhere and it's,


494

00:29:14.570 --> 00:29:17.210

it's hard when you are a nurse or the paramedic to,


495

00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:20.730

to trying to see the differences. Maybe if I,


496

00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:25.740

yeah, I think people are drinking everywhere. It's,


497

00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:29.820

it's just the way how they have a fun, for sure. And the hidden aspect,


498

00:29:29.820 --> 00:29:33.340

as you said, hiding aspect for sure. Um, yeah,


499

00:29:33.850 --> 00:29:38.840

I think the more drinking at home is with schnapps, like the hard liquor, uh,


500

00:29:38.840 --> 00:29:41.760

than a classical beer. Uh, maybe, um,


501

00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.640

Czech in Germany has more of the beer, but we always have a schnapps


502

00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.800

My dad makes schnapps since I was a child. And, uh,


503

00:29:48.800 --> 00:29:51.000

we also get exposure when we were children.


504

00:29:51.210 --> 00:29:56.160

So I remember like sipping small schnapps like very


505

00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:56.993

early age.


506

00:29:57.140 --> 00:30:00.960

And I guess you getting the point that they expose you to alcohol so you're not


507

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.160

crazy when you come in your twenties, right.


508

00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.640

So you don't get in a bar and you don't drink to yourself to death.


509

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:07.640

So I think that's a,


510

00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.000

that's a huge difference because it's really hidden in here,


511

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.040

in front of the children.


512

00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:15.000

And I think it's good to know that if you come to puberty,


513

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.720

that you already know how to behave and how alcohol works and what can


514

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.480

actually what could be the consequences if you abuse it. And um,


515

00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.760

I think it's, that's a little bit different in Europe for sure. And I, um,


516

00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:32.720

I'm a product of that, so I don't drink excessively because uh,


517

00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.920

maybe that's exposure was always there since I was small.


518

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.720

And you see everyone drinking everywhere.


519

00:30:39.250 --> 00:30:42.360

[Nolan] Um, now let's talk about the nurses [laughter]  Uh,</v>


520

00:30:43.390 --> 00:30:47.520

most nurses I know party pretty hard, [laughter]  and I,


521

00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:51.520

I would even argue harder than the average person. Uh,


522

00:30:51.890 --> 00:30:52.720

is that a Canadian,


523

00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.640

because most nurses I know are from BC and so maybe it's a BC


524

00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.360

thing or do you think that's kind of like a, a culture of nurses?


525

00:31:01.570 --> 00:31:04.440

Do you do nurses on average? Just you.


526

00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:09.440

[Eva] Have to reset, right? You have to reset. I believe that, um, it's,</v>


527

00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.480

it's a part of that, uh, the just letting go. Uh,


528

00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:18.400

and maybe also we party together so we know ourself at work


529

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.200

and so it's easy to get, uh, good conversation and dance when you're,


530

00:31:23.730 --> 00:31:26.720

um, when you're a nurse and go to the party together. Um,


531

00:31:26.750 --> 00:31:30.520

I experienced that in Ireland as well when I was working. And um,


532

00:31:30.630 --> 00:31:34.480

most of the fun I have was probably there. The most of my, uh,


533

00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.760

partying was in Ireland. And yeah,


534

00:31:36.790 --> 00:31:39.960

I was definitely see the whole department get to a bar and,


535

00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:44.080

and dance and laugh and share stories and drinks together.


536

00:31:44.410 --> 00:31:47.280

So you can call it party hard, but we always, uh,


537

00:31:47.310 --> 00:31:50.760

I think it's kind of a reset button for most of us for sure. Yeah.


538

00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.610

[Nolan] Yeah. [laughter], I like that. I like when, uh,</v>


539

00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.410

a healthcare professional says that partying is, is a reset button.


540

00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:04.090

[Eva] At least for me. I mean, like, it's not anymore. It's just once you get older,</v>


541

00:32:04.090 --> 00:32:08.530

I think it's really hard to, to get those morning, you know. But, um,


542

00:32:08.530 --> 00:32:10.530

I'm glad I have that experience. It is not,


543

00:32:10.560 --> 00:32:13.330

it's not something you should be ashamed. It's,


544

00:32:13.330 --> 00:32:17.570

it is hard if you continue [laughter]  that I would say it's probably not well


545

00:32:17.570 --> 00:32:19.130

recommended. Um.


546

00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:20.010

[Nolan] Yeah, in your.</v>


547

00:32:20.010 --> 00:32:20.800

[Eva] Course, your forties and.</v>


548

00:32:20.800 --> 00:32:25.130

[Nolan] I think if we start talking about addictive personalities and of course that</v>


549

00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:26.450

goes down a different, uh.


550

00:32:26.590 --> 00:32:29.970

[Eva] But it's part of your youth too, right? Like it's part of Y]yeah.</v>


551

00:32:31.080 --> 00:32:32.770

[Nolan] Yeah. How, how old are you.</v>


552

00:32:32.770 --> 00:32:34.770

[Eva] Now? I will be 40 in April.</v>


553

00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:37.193

[Nolan] Oh, okay.</v>


554

00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:39.150

[Eva] It's gonna be a 20 years. Um,</v>


555

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:44.200

that I left Slovakia pretty much. After the nursing school I went,


556

00:32:44.610 --> 00:32:49.600

um, to travel to different countries at work aboard and away.


557

00:32:49.790 --> 00:32:50.623

Yeah.


558

00:32:52.070 --> 00:32:54.780

[Nolan] So you've spent your, your thirties in Canada then?</v>


559

00:32:54.780 --> 00:32:56.220

[Eva] Uh, yes, that's right. Yeah.</v>


560

00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:00.720

[Nolan] And when is the last time you went back home?</v>


561

00:33:00.910 --> 00:33:04.800

[Eva] I visit usually every summer. Used to be winters,</v>


562

00:33:04.800 --> 00:33:09.480

but then I realize their short days and everyone is just at home cozy.


563

00:33:09.530 --> 00:33:14.280

So now I go pretty much every, every year. And I go for quiet, extended holiday.


564

00:33:14.350 --> 00:33:18.960

I usually go for like two months cuz my parents got a big garden and,


565

00:33:19.460 --> 00:33:22.440

and, uh, they're wonderful parents and I have lots of friends at home.


566

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.920

I'm very lucky. The same in Czech Republic.


567

00:33:25.090 --> 00:33:29.540

So I usually enjoy really the summers in Europe. Yeah.


568

00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:30.900

Yeah. Okay.


569

00:33:32.360 --> 00:33:36.620

[Nolan] And now when you go back, right, because I know it's not,</v>


570

00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.220

not the best thing to ask about age sometimes. I don't know why I don't. .


571

00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:40.740

Um,


572

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:45.700

but the reason I ask is because it has a big influence on how how much


573

00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:49.180

traveling affects your personality. [Eva] Oh yeah.


574

00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:52.340

like if you spent your youth in Canada,


575

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:56.340

that makes a big difference in spending your, your hundred thirties in Canada.


576

00:33:56.340 --> 00:33:57.860

Right? Um,


577

00:33:58.040 --> 00:34:02.190

but now do you feel like


578

00:34:02.620 --> 00:34:05.150

more Canadian in some ways or.


579

00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:08.590

[Eva] A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I think.</v>


580

00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.030

[Nolan] So. How, what, in what ways are you Canadian now?</v>


581

00:34:12.200 --> 00:34:13.033

[Eva] Um,</v>


582

00:34:13.640 --> 00:34:18.630

it shaped my perspective for so in so many ways how I see the


583

00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:23.220

world, um, very open minded, um,


584

00:34:26.270 --> 00:34:27.060

not.


585

00:34:27.060 --> 00:34:30.570

[Nolan] Do you feel on average that Canadians are more open minded? Yeah.</v>


586

00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:35.290

[Eva] For sure. And, um, just with,</v>


587

00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:40.130

without as much judgment, you know, I always used to think that what I grew,


588

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:43.690

what I grew up in, what I see or I, uh,


589

00:34:43.690 --> 00:34:48.690

learn that must be applicable for everyone. Like everyone has the same, um,


590

00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:53.170

type of life. And, um, in Canada I learned that you can have,


591

00:34:53.170 --> 00:34:56.930

especially with so many immigrants and different way of living,


592

00:34:56.930 --> 00:35:00.760

that everyone has different sense of family,


593

00:35:01.770 --> 00:35:04.120

um, work, uh,


594

00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:08.960

a lot in general if they do sports or if they just, um,


595

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.440

travel or if they take care of their gardens. It's just,


596

00:35:12.670 --> 00:35:15.480

I don't even know how to frame that. But, um,


597

00:35:15.950 --> 00:35:20.560

I feel like I do live in the potential that I always see in myself here. Um,


598

00:35:21.540 --> 00:35:24.240

and every, any type of topic,


599

00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:28.160

any type of communication I wanna open up with any of my Canadian friends,


600

00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:32.760

I have no fear to open up any hard conversation. Uh,


601

00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.640

politics, race. Yeah. Uh, economics, uh,


602

00:35:35.640 --> 00:35:39.760

every anything that comes to even like in your mental health. Oh yeah. Oh,


603

00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.360

[Nolan] mental health. It's a big one too, right? [Eva] For sure.


604

00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.320

That's a huge difference between the Europe that I know. I'm,


605

00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.680

I'm not talking about the Europe as the whole continent, obviously,


606

00:35:47.680 --> 00:35:51.920

but the slovakian part of, uh, where we are just,


607

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:56.880

just getting slowly there is a huge, is a huge gap and is a,


608

00:35:57.270 --> 00:36:02.000

that's definitely Canada is so much forward. Um, yeah.


609

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.160

And I feel like it's nicely intertwined because, um,


610

00:36:05.190 --> 00:36:06.680

I have good sense of community,


611

00:36:06.730 --> 00:36:11.390

so I feel like my purpose is to connect people and I love


612

00:36:11.390 --> 00:36:14.950

connecting people and I love listening and, and asking stories.


613

00:36:14.950 --> 00:36:18.470

I'm very curious in, in, in just like, that's my nature.


614

00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.830

So I love really just getting people together in a conversation that


615

00:36:23.830 --> 00:36:25.510

you might find uncomfortable,


616

00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:29.830

but when you just give them time and you don't have the prejudgment you under


617

00:36:29.830 --> 00:36:33.550

you, you will see a different perspective from person, from India,


618

00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:38.150

person from America, person from China in the same environment. And healthcare,


619

00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:39.270

uh, the,


620

00:36:39.270 --> 00:36:43.350

the health industry is quite interesting because you always work with people


621

00:36:43.350 --> 00:36:48.110

with so many different countries and, uh, the topics are always there,


622

00:36:48.110 --> 00:36:48.630

right?


623

00:36:48.630 --> 00:36:53.550

You might come to a patient that has challenging backgrounds and now you ask


624

00:36:53.580 --> 00:36:57.990

your, your coworkers or your friends about the opinion and you see a different


625

00:36:58.090 --> 00:37:00.470

backgrounds coming with different opinions,


626

00:37:00.470 --> 00:37:03.300

but it's not the point to,


627

00:37:05.540 --> 00:37:10.090

um, agree, but just bringing different points to the conversation and the,


628

00:37:10.090 --> 00:37:12.090

and different look, if that makes sense.


629

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:18.130

[Nolan] Yeah, it does. And from my experience, I, I agree,</v>


630

00:37:18.410 --> 00:37:21.890

especially when it comes to mental health. Now that I'm back here in Europe,


631

00:37:22.120 --> 00:37:26.930

I notice how it's still taboo, um, to talk about depression in ways.


632

00:37:26.930 --> 00:37:30.810

Like you still might have that attitude towards a man being like, suck it up.


633

00:37:30.810 --> 00:37:33.850

Oh, yeah. Um, or Oh, that girl's just being whiny. Yeah. Right. Like,


634

00:37:33.850 --> 00:37:37.490

you still have that here, which is horrible in my opinion. Um,


635

00:37:37.620 --> 00:37:39.970

or then just like, it's less politically correct.


636

00:37:39.970 --> 00:37:44.090

You still hear people call people who are moody bipolar, right.


637

00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:47.890

in North America. That would not fly anymore. Um,


638

00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:54.090

but when it comes and then open-mindedness towards recreational drugs.


639

00:37:54.090 --> 00:37:56.690

Oh yeah. I think that might be a West coast thing. Like we,


640

00:37:56.860 --> 00:38:00.210

we love recreational drugs on the west coast.


641

00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:01.130

[Eva] Slovakia.</v>


642

00:38:01.130 --> 00:38:04.530

[Nolan] Very difficult, but also just in an intelligent way, right. Like here,</v>


643

00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:07.690

people like them too, but they just associate it with partying. Yeah.


644

00:38:07.690 --> 00:38:11.250

Whereas in the West coast, like microdosing with magic mushrooms,


645

00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.650

LSD like you can have a conversation about that. Yeah.


646

00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:18.130

Here the second you wanna have a conversation about that. Um,


647

00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:21.890

unless that person is traveled to North America pretty much, it's just like,


648

00:38:21.890 --> 00:38:23.770

oh my God, no, you're a drug addict. It's like, no,


649

00:38:23.790 --> 00:38:26.170

I'm just talking about microdosing with magic mushrooms.


650

00:38:26.170 --> 00:38:29.210

[Eva] And you haven't been in Slovakia with this, so don't even try. Please. It's,</v>


651

00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:30.890

it's very hard. I would say you will,


652

00:38:30.890 --> 00:38:34.090

you have don't bring it up an interesting conversation in Czech Republic and in


653

00:38:34.090 --> 00:38:37.840

different places, but yeah, we're, we're not there yet at all. Like, it's just,


654

00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:38.240

it's hard.


655

00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:42.000

It's a hard opening conversation how beneficial those things can be for us.


656

00:38:42.260 --> 00:38:46.680

And I would say from, um, mental health, when I was nurse,


657

00:38:46.970 --> 00:38:51.920

um, I was in ICU in, um, Hema Oncology, like people who were die from,


658

00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.840

uh, blood cancer, right.


659

00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.200

And I give you an example that we went through lots of horrifying, um,


660

00:38:57.770 --> 00:39:02.680

uh, days where, um, you bring the stories at home, right? You, you suffer, you,


661

00:39:02.680 --> 00:39:06.680

you feel the pain. There were no any, um, mental health support.


662

00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:08.520

We do have counselors here.


663

00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:12.240

Like the ambulance is amazing to take care of your mental health for sure. Like,


664

00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:14.600

I never been that spoiled. Like every time you want,


665

00:39:14.600 --> 00:39:19.280

you just have your counselor and you go through this and they automatically


666

00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.400

actually contact you after each call. So it's, it's very,


667

00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.800

very different than what I remember from back home in terms of mental health


668

00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:28.080

[Nolan] mm-hmm.


669

00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:30.680

and how they take care of the healthcare workers particularly,


670

00:39:30.680 --> 00:39:33.510

you know, so that's a huge difference for sure. Yeah.


671

00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:39.140

[Nolan] Now, but so healthcare, yeah, you're right. Um,</v>


672

00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:43.700

but then I'm just thinking about open-mindedness when it comes to people from


673

00:39:43.700 --> 00:39:46.420

different cultures and everything. Um,


674

00:39:46.550 --> 00:39:50.820

because in Vancouver for sure, I had the same experience as you, right?


675

00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:52.500

You can find people from all over,


676

00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:56.780

people are willing to discuss different viewpoints. Um,


677

00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.300

but nowadays when I go back to Canada, I find that people are quite polarized.


678

00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:06.460

And sometimes when you bring up a different opinion, and I've,


679

00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:08.580

I brought this up on another episode as well,


680

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.500

and it seems that people's identities are attached to


681

00:40:13.540 --> 00:40:14.980

their opinions, right?


682

00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:17.660

So when you don't agree with someone's opinion,


683

00:40:17.660 --> 00:40:20.980

it's like a personal affront on their identity.


684

00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:24.020

So then you can't actually have a conversation and,


685

00:40:24.020 --> 00:40:27.500

and you can't open your mind or grow. Um,


686

00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.740

and then here maybe it's to Spain,


687

00:40:30.740 --> 00:40:35.020

I've noticed it's so easy to have a conversation with someone who might have a


688

00:40:35.020 --> 00:40:36.980

different opinion when it comes to like,


689

00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:41.380

political type things or sociopolitical type things. Um,


690

00:40:41.510 --> 00:40:44.860

so there, I don't know, maybe people are open-minded here,


691

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.740

but maybe I'm more talking about Spain and the difference might be


692

00:40:50.870 --> 00:40:51.703

in Canada


693

00:40:51.810 --> 00:40:56.540

I also lived in a small town and I think that might make a difference.


694

00:40:56.540 --> 00:41:00.180

So in Slovakia, did you live in a small town or did, did you live.


695

00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:01.740

[Eva] In the city? Um, so grew up in a,</v>


696

00:41:01.830 --> 00:41:06.260

or have been born in a small town and live in a city that is about


697

00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:07.300

60,000 people,


698

00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:11.980

but very close to the village where my grandpa and grandma actually, um, live.


699

00:41:12.090 --> 00:41:16.940

Yeah. Very big family. My grandpa got 12 siblings, so quite a big family.


700

00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:21.940

They have animals and gardens. So, um, yeah, very community.


701

00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:26.660

It's in, in, to put it this way, for foreigner, like in Slovakia, I feel like,


702

00:41:26.660 --> 00:41:28.900

I feel like most of the time when you live there,


703

00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:33.020

people know people everywhere you go. Like, you know, your local postmen,


704

00:41:33.160 --> 00:41:36.320

you know your butcher, you know your doctor, you know your lawyer, you know,


705

00:41:36.520 --> 00:41:40.040

neighbors in, in the whole corridor is the, you pretty much know people.


706

00:41:40.040 --> 00:41:44.600

It's very hu this the community sense is way different than having in Canada.


707

00:41:44.860 --> 00:41:49.560

But um, yeah, I grew up in a, in a city, like a small city.


708

00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:54.100

[Nolan] A small city. But that maybe that's also why, right?</v>


709

00:41:54.100 --> 00:41:59.020

Because when you're comparing Vancouver to a small city in BC you might


710

00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:03.620

also say, wow, the people in the small town are not as open-minded to


711

00:42:03.660 --> 00:42:05.460

different cultures or not as open-minded.


712

00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:09.510

[Eva] To a certain city. I have experienced, so for almost three years,</v>


713

00:42:09.580 --> 00:42:14.310

I believe two and a half years I work as a paramedic on a small place called


714

00:42:14.310 --> 00:42:19.070

Seward on northern part of Vancouver Island with 800 people. Yeah.


715

00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:20.590

Amazing experience.


716

00:42:20.590 --> 00:42:24.350

I would never have this experience ever if I never worked with the BC


717

00:42:24.350 --> 00:42:27.390

ambulance. It was really, really interesting. And, um,


718

00:42:28.450 --> 00:42:32.390

you see people with different opinions, but I wouldn't say close-minded at all.


719

00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:36.070

And it's just, it was a very small town. Okay. Um,


720

00:42:36.570 --> 00:42:41.150

and a different culture and, um, but uh,


721

00:42:41.150 --> 00:42:45.190

not neither even close to close-minded. Very open-minded actually. Yeah.


722

00:42:45.190 --> 00:42:49.760

[Nolan] Yeah, definitely. But that's also the west coast,</v>


723

00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.520

right? Uh, I think when you go into the interior small town,


724

00:42:53.520 --> 00:42:58.040

it's like it could be a little bit different. Um, but you're right,


725

00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:01.360

you're right. The, the, I think the more I reflect on it, the,


726

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.360

the more I realize how over minded people are in, um, in, uh, British Columbia.


727

00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.640

[Eva] You know how I do that. Yeah.</v>


728

00:43:07.640 --> 00:43:11.160

[Nolan] Sorry. But what would it be like in the capital of Slovakia? Um,</v>


729

00:43:11.160 --> 00:43:12.800

what would the capital, Bratislava.


730

00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.240

[Eva] Just like any capital, but, uh, can I just get back to,</v>


731

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:20.240

so you know how I know if it's open-minded or close-minded that I brought


732

00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:25.240

certain foreigners at home and I see how my parents are curious and always just,


733

00:43:25.240 --> 00:43:27.040

you know, I'm, I'm a product of my parents.


734

00:43:27.040 --> 00:43:30.680

I've always been curious and I ask people if they have a different background.


735

00:43:30.680 --> 00:43:32.800

Where you from? What's the culture like? What do you eat?


736

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.320

What is your Christmas look like? Um,


737

00:43:35.380 --> 00:43:38.920

but not everyone is the same at home. Like we do have,


738

00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.640

some people are really not interesting as much of a different culture and,


739

00:43:44.140 --> 00:43:48.480

and they ways to see the world is the slovakian way to see the world. But,


740

00:43:48.850 --> 00:43:53.840

um, when I was, for example, in Seward or Kamlopps or small places that, um,


741

00:43:55.140 --> 00:43:57.030

I have the same experience,


742

00:43:57.030 --> 00:44:00.270

people who never travel or leave that small town,


743

00:44:00.870 --> 00:44:02.710

Canadian people will ask me the same questions.


744

00:44:02.710 --> 00:44:04.990

So how do your parents look like? And what,


745

00:44:04.990 --> 00:44:08.550

what does the summer in Slovakia look like? They were interested and like get like,


746

00:44:08.870 --> 00:44:12.950

honestly interested in my life and knowing me and bringing me food and, uh,


747

00:44:13.060 --> 00:44:17.150

thanks me for the job and just invite me for their private,


748

00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:21.270

like family parties and celebration and gathering. So, uh,


749

00:44:21.270 --> 00:44:24.070

I went to really different places thanks to my work.


750

00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:29.470

I was really mesmerized by how people are welcoming and actually interested in


751

00:44:29.470 --> 00:44:30.303

you.


752

00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.310

[Nolan] Yeah. Okay. You're an ambassador for the BC.</v>


753

00:44:34.790 --> 00:44:38.870

[Eva] I can sell the BC I, I, I have been told this, uh,</v>


754

00:44:38.870 --> 00:44:42.950

for many people that they said, oh, you sold me BC every time I get you a look,


755

00:44:43.100 --> 00:44:47.510

I will show you the best on Vancouver and what can offer you. For sure.


756

00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:51.350

So hopefully, yeah, why not? You choose to be living here, so


757

00:44:51.390 --> 00:44:52.670

you want to, um,


758

00:44:52.670 --> 00:44:56.950

you wanna see the best and you wanna know the hidden treasures too. Yeah.


759

00:44:57.240 --> 00:44:58.670

So that's a good way.


760

00:44:58.710 --> 00:45:03.710

So now, now that we're tomo personality,</v>


761

00:45:03.710 --> 00:45:06.150

one thing I also wanna ask, uh, because,


762

00:45:07.140 --> 00:45:09.550

well probably not most of the listeners on this show,


763

00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:12.350

because I think most people here are quite interested in culture,


764

00:45:12.890 --> 00:45:17.630

but one problem I find, especially in Hollywood movies, um,


765

00:45:17.630 --> 00:45:20.750

and obviously that gets perpetuated into the culture as well,


766

00:45:21.160 --> 00:45:25.710

is that eastern Europeans get lumped together sometimes as


767

00:45:25.770 --> 00:45:30.030

one culture, right? Um, which is completely wrong.


768

00:45:30.120 --> 00:45:33.830

They're [laughter], right? There's so many different languages, different foods,


769

00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:37.230

even though there are relations of course. Um,


770

00:45:37.930 --> 00:45:40.830

but what do you find,


771

00:45:41.060 --> 00:45:45.550

I I how do you identify, um, as,


772

00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:47.670

as a Slovak someone from Slovakia?


773

00:45:47.670 --> 00:45:48.503

[Eva] Oh, you cha.</v>


774

00:45:48.580 --> 00:45:49.270

[Nolan] Like what.</v>


775

00:45:49.270 --> 00:45:53.230

[Eva] You challenge me Nolan, you really do. Um, cuz I always, um,</v>


776

00:45:54.060 --> 00:45:56.550

I hate the world hate, but I hate patriotism.


777

00:45:56.780 --> 00:46:00.670

I feel like the world shape you and the more you travel, you know yourself,


778

00:46:00.670 --> 00:46:04.990

but the more you immigrate and live somewhere for a su substantial amount of


779

00:46:04.990 --> 00:46:09.430

time, it change you. And then sometimes you kind of lost the ground,


780

00:46:09.430 --> 00:46:11.670

like in a, in a good way. Not in a bad way,


781

00:46:11.670 --> 00:46:16.470

not in a sentimental or cuz I feel the nostalgia can be


782

00:46:16.470 --> 00:46:21.030

something that can be good, but also can be quiet bad if you,


783

00:46:21.030 --> 00:46:23.510

if you use it in the wrong way. Um,


784

00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:27.750

I think I still have the sense for culture, the folk.


785

00:46:28.140 --> 00:46:31.910

I love our folk music and the architectures every time I go home,


786

00:46:32.620 --> 00:46:36.910

I appreciate way more the history and everything that is still there


787

00:46:37.420 --> 00:46:40.150

than any of my friends I would say. Like, I get, I get,


788

00:46:40.940 --> 00:46:44.270

I get mesmerized by things that if you live there,


789

00:46:44.270 --> 00:46:48.390

you just get used to it and I stop and I touch and I smell and I love those


790

00:46:48.390 --> 00:46:52.950

little things. When I, and again, brings the nostalgia from my childhood. Um,


791

00:46:53.140 --> 00:46:56.350

I love talk to elderly, always did, uh,


792

00:46:56.350 --> 00:46:59.830

because I think they still have the skills that we are for forgetting.


793

00:46:59.900 --> 00:47:04.550

Slovakia used to be a lot of like handcrafted stuff, working with wools,


794

00:47:04.550 --> 00:47:07.150

working with sheep and wood, and I think we look.


795

00:47:07.220 --> 00:47:10.990

[Nolan] Yeah, it has the highest number or highest concentration of wood. Yeah.</v>


796

00:47:10.990 --> 00:47:13.550

[Eva] That's right. We have the tallest one, actually the tallest in, uh,</v>


797

00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:16.830

in the Europe and oldest the tallest one. Yeah. There's the,


798

00:47:16.830 --> 00:47:20.350

the number of castles per capitalizing I think is the highest.


799

00:47:20.410 --> 00:47:24.150

The churches like the history is the highest really pictures. And,


800

00:47:24.150 --> 00:47:27.030

and for that small, uh, town, you can,


801

00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:29.030

people used to just travel and see all the,


802

00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:32.800

the castles that are having a stamp card. So you can see them all in like a,


803

00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.720

I don't know, three day strip. Um, what is funny that when you go,


804

00:47:36.720 --> 00:47:41.280

when you mostly go to castles in, for example, like Ireland or Scotland,


805

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:47.180

you will see the structure, but very rarely you will see the full furnish, uh,


806

00:47:47.180 --> 00:47:51.500

castle Slovak still have the rooms with the, with the,


807

00:47:51.500 --> 00:47:55.860

the tables and the silverware and where they sleep. So it's just, it's really,


808

00:47:56.430 --> 00:48:00.820

uh, interesting history and it feels like nothing's moved. Um, because like,


809

00:48:00.850 --> 00:48:02.060

yeah, you feel like the,


810

00:48:02.060 --> 00:48:05.620

the king is just somewhere behind the door because it looks like it's somewhat


811

00:48:05.620 --> 00:48:07.700

lives there. Um,


812

00:48:07.890 --> 00:48:11.780

I believe the part of Slovakian that I still didn't have with me is the sense of


813

00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:15.660

community for sure. And I love, as a woman, I love cooking,


814

00:48:15.770 --> 00:48:18.300

I love doing small like little tiny projects.


815

00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:23.140

I love knitting and all these like, funny things. Um, yeah, carving,


816

00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:27.060

carving wood and yeah, just, just stuff that brings me pleasure.


817

00:48:27.060 --> 00:48:29.860

Just what I saw in my parents and my grandparents.


818

00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.860

And that time when I was young I was like, oh, that's so lame.


819

00:48:32.860 --> 00:48:36.660

I will never do that. I will go to America and I will never do anything like this.


820

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.660

And uh, you, yeah,


821

00:48:38.660 --> 00:48:42.980

you reach your thirties and you kind of almost crave for those things and,


822

00:48:43.200 --> 00:48:47.420

and there reminds you kind of who you are in that sense and brings you pleasure.


823

00:48:49.250 --> 00:48:49.630

Um.


824

00:48:49.630 --> 00:48:53.320

[Nolan] So do you find,</v>


825

00:48:53.650 --> 00:48:56.760

it sounds like you're saying that in Slovakia it's a little bit more


826

00:48:56.940 --> 00:49:00.440

collectivistic, um, like a little bit more community oriented.


827

00:49:01.470 --> 00:49:04.330

[Eva] You are the teacher, you know, the English is my third language.</v>


828

00:49:04.330 --> 00:49:06.810

That's why I have a little broken. So my second is German,


829

00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:09.370

so that's why I never went to school for English.


830

00:49:09.370 --> 00:49:11.650

So if you ever wonder like how she can teach,


831

00:49:11.890 --> 00:49:13.330

actually like her English is quite broken.


832

00:49:13.560 --> 00:49:17.970

That's how I learned by listening to Irish people. That's quite fun.


833

00:49:18.970 --> 00:49:22.410

[Nolan] [laughter]  Okay. Well your, your English is really good,</v>


834

00:49:22.410 --> 00:49:26.450

but I remember eight year or seven years ago we had a conversation about that


835

00:49:26.450 --> 00:49:27.490

once, um,


836

00:49:27.580 --> 00:49:32.570

we were talking about speaking different languages and you mentioned that you


837

00:49:32.570 --> 00:49:36.130

miss not being able to speak your mother tongue because you feel like you're


838

00:49:36.130 --> 00:49:39.290

funnier and more intelligent in your, [Eva] you remember that?


839

00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.770

I think you're intelligent in English. Oh yeah.


840

00:49:42.040 --> 00:49:43.170

[Eva] Yeah. I still think.</v>


841

00:49:43.170 --> 00:49:45.930

[Nolan] That, I forget which, which convention we were in, but it was,</v>


842

00:49:45.930 --> 00:49:47.970

it was for some convention and we went around.


843

00:49:48.080 --> 00:49:48.730

[Eva] I still think that,</v>


844

00:49:48.730 --> 00:49:52.690

I still do think that because there's certain impression in Slovakia language


845

00:49:52.690 --> 00:49:56.450

that you cannot translate directly. And it's actually weird if you translate.


846

00:49:56.450 --> 00:49:58.090

I try, but it's really weird.


847

00:49:59.160 --> 00:50:01.050

[Nolan] Okay. T tell me some somebody. Cause I,</v>


848

00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:03.130

I love idioms and I love getting into discussions.


849

00:50:03.130 --> 00:50:05.610

[Eva] About so many. I try, um, what, what are some of these? I try,</v>


850

00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:09.450

I dunno if that's a idiom, but there is certain type of sayings that we have.


851

00:50:09.700 --> 00:50:13.770

My sister live in Scotland and we try to translate us to her Scottish boyfriend.


852

00:50:13.770 --> 00:50:15.010

He enormously laugh.


853

00:50:15.010 --> 00:50:19.530

It's like the laugh on his family is like Veronica say some saying in Slovakia,


854

00:50:19.530 --> 00:50:21.850

like, it wouldn't make sense to you. It's just, uh,


855

00:50:21.850 --> 00:50:26.330

it's really traditions from back home that,


856

00:50:27.630 --> 00:50:29.920

yeah, it's, those are just sayings.


857

00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.320

Like I try to apply it that sometimes at work and people, I,


858

00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.520

I can see the look when people were, they're like,


859

00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:37.480

I don't know what she just said and why.


860

00:50:38.620 --> 00:50:42.600

[Nolan] Can, can you say one of them? Um, but, but in, in your language. Um.</v>


861

00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.090

[Eva] I have to just, oh yeah. So like, uh, so like, uh, don't worry,</v>


862

00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:49.930

pause a piece on the wall.


863

00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.780

Why would you like a frozen piece or piece on the wall? It makes like,


864

00:50:54.950 --> 00:50:59.260

it doesn't make sense to do the same job over and over. So.


865

00:51:00.020 --> 00:51:02.630

[Nolan] Okay. Well what does it sound like? Can you, can you say it in your own words?</v>


866

00:51:02.670 --> 00:51:04.030

[Eva] Cause I wanna just hear what it.</v>


867

00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.210

[Nolan] Okay, so throwing peas against the wall or.</v>


868

00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:09.750

[Eva] We.</v>


869

00:51:09.750 --> 00:51:10.650

[Nolan] And what does that.</v>


870

00:51:10.650 --> 00:51:13.610

[Eva] Mean? It's like you're trying to do the same job,</v>


871

00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:19.240

um, yeah, but you,


872

00:51:19.850 --> 00:51:24.080

it doesn't make sense anymore to do that because it doesn't give you any, um,


873

00:51:25.570 --> 00:51:29.980

kind of rewards, but you would, you wouldn't see any outcome. Like, it's like,


874

00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:32.740

it's like useless jobs doing over and over.


875

00:51:32.740 --> 00:51:37.460

Like something that it doesn't make sense, but you just keep doing that for


876

00:51:39.130 --> 00:51:43.730

Yeah. Or there or you going for a walk and we said,


877

00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:49.290

um, there is no, like, it was so empty, there was no foot in there. And my,


878

00:51:49.620 --> 00:51:51.450

my Toronto friend Caitlin,


879

00:51:51.450 --> 00:51:55.810

she always lashes like say some something in Slovak saying, I was like, um,


880

00:51:55.870 --> 00:51:58.810

how about we go for a hike and there's no food? I'm like, yeah,


881

00:51:58.810 --> 00:52:02.130

you remembered that one, right? And it's just like, again,


882

00:52:02.780 --> 00:52:07.570

in Slovak sounds that [inaudible] but it


883

00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:09.250

doesn't make sense if you translate that.


884

00:52:09.250 --> 00:52:14.010

It's just something will keep saying and it's just going and makes sense in that


885

00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:17.210

language. But also we do have a specific language.


886

00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:21.930

Remember as you asked me for my last name, the ova, we have, uh,


887

00:52:21.930 --> 00:52:26.290

certain types of things that maybe a teacher maybe,


888

00:52:26.290 --> 00:52:30.770

maybe a Slovak teacher will be able to a, uh, answer those question too. But,


889

00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:34.210

um, that will be, or we have all the fingers are the same.


890

00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:37.410

If you go to a doctor and you broke finger or toe,


891

00:52:37.410 --> 00:52:40.450

you just tell them fingers because we don't have fingers and toes.


892

00:52:42.540 --> 00:52:44.130

[Nolan] Uh, it's the same in Spanish, just dedos.</v>


893

00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:48.210

[Eva] You know, those things. Yeah. And the ova is quiet specific. So you,</v>


894

00:52:48.210 --> 00:52:51.970

you will always know, you will always know you speak to a female if you,


895

00:52:52.140 --> 00:52:54.610

if the last name ends with oba.


896

00:52:55.850 --> 00:52:56.620

[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah.</v>


897

00:52:56.620 --> 00:53:00.180

So you mentioned that earlier and I think that's interesting as well because,


898

00:53:00.630 --> 00:53:04.500

uh, it's, it's helpful, right? Like as you mentioned with doctors, right?


899

00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:06.780

Because there are situations where, uh, uh,


900

00:53:06.780 --> 00:53:09.140

especially a woman might want a female doctor.


901

00:53:09.870 --> 00:53:12.380

[Eva] Or what you expect. Yeah. It's just, it's just interesting. Yeah.</v>


902

00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:15.180

Those are different. Definitely a different languages. Sure.


903

00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.940

How easy was for you to learn Spanish? Yeah.


904

00:53:18.750 --> 00:53:21.100

[Nolan] Um, it's all right. Like, I'm still struggling. Like I,</v>


905

00:53:21.170 --> 00:53:25.240

I mean I can speak about anything with everyone. Um,


906

00:53:25.540 --> 00:53:28.640

but yeah, I definitely feel dumb sometimes, right?


907

00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:31.280

Cause you're just constantly looking for words.


908

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:35.800

You're constantly looking for ways to express yourself in the best way. Um,


909

00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:39.720

but there are situations now where I'd rather speak in Spanish


910

00:53:39.720 --> 00:53:40.400

than in English, right?


911

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:44.200

There are just some expressions that work better in Spanish.


912

00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:45.560

And um,


913

00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:50.240

also some things that are just funny in Spanish because it has cultural context


914

00:53:50.410 --> 00:53:54.160

to it and it's just not funny in English because it just doesn't have that same


915

00:53:54.520 --> 00:53:57.600

cultural context. Um, yeah. Uh,


916

00:53:57.600 --> 00:54:01.400

but I wouldn't say it's easy. It wasn't, it wasn't easy for me.


917

00:54:01.470 --> 00:54:05.040

It's definitely a struggle and I definitely still get frustrated.


918

00:54:05.430 --> 00:54:10.400

I throw childish tantrums sometimes when I, when it doesn't go my way.


919

00:54:10.690 --> 00:54:12.760

[Eva] that’s awesome. [Nolan] I enjoy it. But.


920

00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.600

[that's, I, that's very important. Do you use your hands a lot?</v>


921

00:54:15.830 --> 00:54:17.820

Because I used to use hands all the time.


922

00:54:18.150 --> 00:54:21.180

[Nolan] Uh, yeah. But I didn't even notice this. Um,</v>


923

00:54:21.180 --> 00:54:23.260

but my friend said it the other day. Uh,


924

00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:27.820

he came last month to visit and he said, I don't speak any Spanish Nolan,


925

00:54:27.820 --> 00:54:31.460

but I always know when you're talking about the past and using the past tense


926

00:54:31.460 --> 00:54:36.180

because you always go like this. Because sometimes I'm worried like,


927

00:54:36.180 --> 00:54:39.300

oh no, did I use the correct, uh, past tense.


928

00:54:39.310 --> 00:54:43.940

So just to make sure that they understand [laughter] , I do the hand gesture. Nice.


929

00:54:43.940 --> 00:54:47.940

Pointing backwards. Yeah. [laughter]  Yeah.


930

00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:52.860

Um, okay, so this is a question I ask most, uh,


931

00:54:52.860 --> 00:54:54.460

multilingual people on the show.


932

00:54:55.310 --> 00:54:59.060

Do you feel like when you were learning English or when you were learning


933

00:54:59.060 --> 00:54:59.893

German,


934

00:55:00.090 --> 00:55:04.940

that you found a new part of your identity as you learned


935

00:55:05.180 --> 00:55:08.140

that language? Um, because I always say I was on the show,


936

00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:11.340

but polyglots mentioned that if you want to learn many languages,


937

00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:14.980

it's a good idea to find a different identity with that language.


938

00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:19.090

[Eva] Interesting. I'm just wondering like in what sense? You know what I'm asking?</v>


939

00:55:21.090 --> 00:55:24.950

[Nolan] Um, okay. Like, so for instance,</v>


940

00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.270

uh, well Flemish for me, I learned it when I was a child, right?


941

00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.830

So for me, that part of my identity when I speak Flemish,


942

00:55:33.940 --> 00:55:38.350

I feel very clean in a way. Um, cause I associate it with family.


943

00:55:39.240 --> 00:55:43.470

Um, I don't swear very often. English. I mean, [laughter] ,


944

00:55:43.700 --> 00:55:46.590

I grew up with it. I had my early twenties with English,


945

00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:49.470

so I swear a little bit more. Um,


946

00:55:49.470 --> 00:55:53.470

I'm comfortable talking about taboo subjects, uh,


947

00:55:53.530 --> 00:55:57.750

now in Spanish. Um, [laughter]  I want to be a refranero


948

00:55:58.790 --> 00:56:03.150

which means someone that knows a lot of references and like uses a lot of idioms


949

00:56:03.150 --> 00:56:06.510

and stuff, and I'm trying to develop that part of myself, but it's difficult.


950

00:56:06.970 --> 00:56:11.590

And then more just naturally I find in Spanish, well,


951

00:56:11.600 --> 00:56:14.550

as I said, dumber, but that's obviously not a personality thing,


952

00:56:14.550 --> 00:56:17.430

that's just a lack of words. Um,


953

00:56:18.690 --> 00:56:21.670

but I do feel like I'm starting,


954

00:56:21.740 --> 00:56:26.600

people complain here more I find than in, in English. Yeah. Uh, it's,


955

00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:29.040

it's more common to complain and I find that I,


956

00:56:29.070 --> 00:56:30.880

I start to complain a bit more in Spanish.


957

00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.040

[Eva] We have that in [inaudible] quite a lot. Okay.</v>


958

00:56:33.040 --> 00:56:37.920

So I think I know what you're asking me now. I think I, um,


959

00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:42.280

struggle with mixing couple languages together. I honestly,


960

00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.680

honestly don't think that I'm fluent the way I used to be in Slovakian,


961

00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:52.110

but because it kind of intertwine with a Czech, my ex-husband was check and,


962

00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:56.350

uh, my current boyfriend is check. So I think, and a lot of Czech people,


963

00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:00.670

so that very, those languages are very similar. And if I speak too fast,


964

00:57:00.670 --> 00:57:05.350

I use some words, they're just comfortable or I get used to them. Um,


965

00:57:05.350 --> 00:57:08.390

so I've been quite criticized when I get back in Slovakia that I,


966

00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:12.270

I don't speak as, you know, I make lots of grammar mistakes and stuff like that.


967

00:57:12.270 --> 00:57:16.590

So sometimes I feel not as secure when I speak Slovakian not as,


968

00:57:16.590 --> 00:57:19.470

not as articulate, um, in English.


969

00:57:19.470 --> 00:57:23.710

I still have stutter if I speak to people who give me impression that they don't


970

00:57:23.710 --> 00:57:27.690

understand me and that sometimes happen. Um, uh,


971

00:57:27.830 --> 00:57:32.170

but I really enjoy that language. I really enjoy speaking English.


972

00:57:32.170 --> 00:57:35.850

I feel like I speak out of my heart and um,


973

00:57:36.540 --> 00:57:40.510

it is who I am by now. So I feel like, um,


974

00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:44.870

it give me that, I don't know, just,


975

00:57:44.870 --> 00:57:48.590

just using any words that I ever, ever want to. Um, I do,


976

00:57:48.620 --> 00:57:52.830

I do feel more freedom to express in, um,


977

00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.070

in um, the way I want it in, in English.


978

00:57:57.530 --> 00:58:00.520

But then if I speak in, uh,


979

00:58:00.520 --> 00:58:05.440

medical lingo or let's say my dad in a garden and


980

00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:06.160

we make jokes,


981

00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:11.160

that's still definitely slovakian where I just lose a tiny


982

00:58:11.160 --> 00:58:15.880

bit of, um, myself into the Slovakian humor. And uh,


983

00:58:15.910 --> 00:58:20.320

yeah, we still have like old Slovakian saying too, or not saying,


984

00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.600

but the language that my grandma used to speak.


985

00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:25.120

And this is very specific accent too.


986

00:58:25.130 --> 00:58:28.840

So that's what I do when I speak to my dad and my sister.


987

00:58:29.250 --> 00:58:32.840

We makes those jokes and we speak that accents together.


988

00:58:33.380 --> 00:58:37.560

And uh, yeah. And, and in that time I feel like I'm seven again. You know,


989

00:58:37.560 --> 00:58:42.020

like those, um, I guess language comes with a memory.


990

00:58:42.020 --> 00:58:45.620

And again, the nostalgia, I feel like every time I speak different language,


991

00:58:45.620 --> 00:58:50.620

I just feel like I'm that time in that place where I remember I


992

00:58:50.620 --> 00:58:53.810

learned that language. That's Yeah.


993

00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.060

[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. No, that, that's a very good point. Um, yeah,</v>


994

00:58:59.060 --> 00:58:59.850

I would like some,


995

00:58:59.850 --> 00:59:04.500

I need to talk some to some more people that were raised speaking four languages


996

00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:08.260

or raised speaking five languages because like you, well I,


997

00:59:08.260 --> 00:59:12.620

I was raised speaking Flemish in English I guess pretty much at the same time.


998

00:59:12.990 --> 00:59:17.220

Um, but I still associate Flemish with my younger life a bit more.


999

00:59:17.990 --> 00:59:20.780

Um, and then now Spanish. So like you, it's,


1000

00:59:20.810 --> 00:59:23.600

I more associate it with different phases in my life,


1001

00:59:23.600 --> 00:59:27.080

but I wonder what it's like for people that grew up speaking.


1002

00:59:27.080 --> 00:59:29.080

[Eva] That would be very interest, four languages. That would be very interesting.</v>


1003

00:59:29.080 --> 00:59:31.720

I would know. I would love to know that as well. That's very interesting.


1004

00:59:33.470 --> 00:59:36.620

[Nolan] If you, if you meet someone like that, tell them to come on the show already.</v>


1005

00:59:36.620 --> 00:59:37.620

Listeners right now,


1006

00:59:37.620 --> 00:59:40.980

if you are one of those people who is raised with four languages, uh,


1007

00:59:41.220 --> 00:59:45.980

reach out to me at withoutborders.fyi or leave a comment in


1008

00:59:46.140 --> 00:59:49.420

whatever platform you're listening on right now and let me know and come on the


1009

00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:54.370

show for sure. [laughter]  Oh, okay. Well Eva,


1010

00:59:54.370 --> 00:59:58.050

we're over an hour here. So just to finish this up, um,


1011

00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.970

I want to know just a little bit more what you want the listeners to know about


1012

01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:07.890

Slovakia because before I didn't know too much about the country.


1013

01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:12.210

Um, and then recently I, I found out, yeah, as we talked about the churches,


1014

01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:16.970

I found out that it has one of the highest number of springs and fresh water.


1015

01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:22.570

Um, then the capital, the capital, um,


1016

01:00:22.630 --> 01:00:25.290

Bratislava is the,


1017

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:30.690

is the only city where it borders two independent countries.


1018

01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:36.170

Uh, cause true it borders, um, Austria and Hung Hungary, right?


1019

01:00:36.170 --> 01:00:39.970

Yeah. So that's, that's fascinating. So what are just a few other things you,


1020

01:00:39.970 --> 01:00:40.780

you want to listen.


1021

01:00:40.780 --> 01:00:45.570

[Eva] As you mentioned, I love to visit in a short period of time. You can visit, um,</v>


1022

01:00:45.570 --> 01:00:50.570

two different countries as well. It still has beautiful folk traditions,


1023

01:00:50.570 --> 01:00:55.130

like if you and a huge history and folk history and again the


1024

01:00:55.130 --> 01:00:59.370

castles and it's just picturesque. You don't need too much money to spend.


1025

01:00:59.390 --> 01:01:03.770

And you can in a quite a bit of short time travel


1026

01:01:03.860 --> 01:01:07.810

through a different villages that each of them looks very, uh,


1027

01:01:07.810 --> 01:01:11.920

different as well. Um, there a certain amount of farms too,


1028

01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:15.560

if you were into that too. We have lots of sports. If you are a paraglider,


1029

01:01:15.560 --> 01:01:19.040

if you are a slack liner, if you are kayaker or skier,


1030

01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:23.160

you will have lots of fun there. Um, and from my opinion,


1031

01:01:23.230 --> 01:01:24.960

I would say people are very kind.


1032

01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.800

There is no way you will suffer somewhere on the street or you will get lost or,


1033

01:01:29.970 --> 01:01:33.080

or, or some kind of a crime scenario.


1034

01:01:33.150 --> 01:01:36.520

I would say it's quite safe and people are really, really kind.


1035

01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:40.840

They will offer you food most of the time, um, if not like, place to sleep.


1036

01:01:41.220 --> 01:01:42.320

And uh, yeah,


1037

01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.200

they will definitely guide you if you want to see some hidden treasures.


1038

01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:49.840

They're not like hiding that. We don't have as much tourists that in Vancouver,


1039

01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:51.800

if you wanna see a hide hidden treasures,


1040

01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:56.000

you have to really dig deeper because there's so many tourists and at home you


1041

01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:00.560

really see a staff that you will be by yourself next to a waterfall or you know,


1042

01:02:00.560 --> 01:02:04.200

like the scenery you always want to have for your Instagram pictures you can


1043

01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.480

find there for sure. And, uh, yeah, yeah, I just,


1044

01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.280

I just feel like people are generally very lovely and very,


1045

01:02:10.630 --> 01:02:14.600

very nice to foreigners and some of them are like my parents. They're,


1046

01:02:14.600 --> 01:02:15.560

they're interesting in you.


1047

01:02:15.560 --> 01:02:19.080

They wanna know where you are from and what language do you speak, what you,


1048

01:02:19.120 --> 01:02:23.640

you eat. Yeah. So that will be a good reason to visit.


1049

01:02:23.640 --> 01:02:28.530

[Nolan] Perfect. Uh, then one more thing before people go. Uh, what about,</v>


1050

01:02:28.530 --> 01:02:32.770

is there anything special related to etiquette that people should know?


1051

01:02:32.770 --> 01:02:36.610

Because I read that you have to be invited before using someone’s first name.


1052

01:02:36.610 --> 01:02:41.370

[Eva] Oh, um, that comes to a German language as well. So I really,</v>


1053

01:02:41.500 --> 01:02:43.970

oh, this is terrible. Nolan for me because I'm not a teacher,


1054

01:02:43.970 --> 01:02:46.050

I don't wanna screw this up, but, um,


1055

01:02:46.700 --> 01:02:51.170

we do speak to elderly and people you don't know in a different ways.


1056

01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:54.930

Uh, but it wouldn't make sense if you speak English and if you speak English,


1057

01:02:54.930 --> 01:02:58.890

just use the last name and it will be safe. Uh, but yeah, like we,


1058

01:02:58.890 --> 01:03:03.650

we use a little bit different, uh, lingo when you know someone and, uh,


1059

01:03:03.650 --> 01:03:05.090

so if you just use the last name,


1060

01:03:05.090 --> 01:03:07.890

we'll be fine and they will correct you if they, if you,


1061

01:03:07.890 --> 01:03:09.970

if they feel uncomfortable, they will just say, yes,


1062

01:03:09.970 --> 01:03:14.610

please call me John or call me Eva. Right. So you wouldn't be that. It's not,


1063

01:03:14.860 --> 01:03:18.450

it is a etiquette for local people for sure. And you will,


1064

01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:21.090

if you start with that, you're not gonna get wrong.


1065

01:03:21.090 --> 01:03:25.970

But nobody from what I remember will get very offended if you


1066

01:03:25.970 --> 01:03:30.410

just say, hi Veronica. Like it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be that bad. No.


1067

01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.240

[Nolan] Okay. Okay. Good to know. And um,</v>


1068

01:03:35.240 --> 01:03:38.400

what about going inside? I heard like Canada,


1069

01:03:38.700 --> 01:03:42.120

and unlike the rest of Europe, you take


1070

01:03:42.120 --> 01:03:42.790

[Eva] off your shoes.</v>


1071

01:03:42.790 --> 01:03:44.560

[Nolan] When you go into someone's house, please.</v>


1072

01:03:44.560 --> 01:03:47.800

[Eva] Is that correct? Please? We always laugh on Beverly Hills. Uh, okay,</v>


1073

01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:48.680

what was that movie?


1074

01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:53.320

Remember back in the nineties that everyone was just even like going to the bed


1075

01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.560

with their shoes? I was like, what? How weird is this? Um, yeah,


1076

01:03:56.560 --> 01:03:57.440

so please [laughter]


1077

01:03:58.230 --> 01:04:01.840

[Nolan] Yeah, that's like it in most of Europe people like, I I,</v>


1078

01:04:02.100 --> 01:04:05.360

I'm the weirdo here in Spain. When people come over, I always say,


1079

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.760

please take off your shoes. And now I provide slippers for everyone. Uh,


1080

01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.520

cause I think it's disgusting, but it's, it's how it most of Europe.


1081

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:15.000

[Eva] Is something you of difference again, in Slovakia and my Canadian friends,</v>


1082

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.720

Kevin always love, love at me.


1083

01:04:16.910 --> 01:04:17.520

[Nolan] Feel at home</v>


1084

01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:20.400

[Eva] Now he's my neighbor and I was like, what do you mean slippers?</v>


1085

01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.000

Because he came to my house and I was like, are called from a feet [laughter]


1086

01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.000

And he was like, why you a, like if I'm called on a feet,


1087

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.800

I might be called on the hedge and I might need like a sweater.


1088

01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.080

Why are you asking me if I'm called from a feet?


1089

01:04:32.220 --> 01:04:35.240

And he's such a slovakian saying that if you cold on a feet,


1090

01:04:35.240 --> 01:04:36.920

we're gonna give you slippers. He was like, wait a minute,


1091

01:04:37.210 --> 01:04:40.240

do you have like each size slippers for each person?


1092

01:04:40.730 --> 01:04:43.520

So I remember I laughed so much about it. I was like, no,


1093

01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:48.440

you just get like in some general slippers for each of you and


1094

01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.680

you just, we just take care of your feet for sure. Yeah.


1095

01:04:50.680 --> 01:04:53.000

Like if you cold from a feet, you're gonna get sleeps.


1096

01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:56.040

[Nolan] [laughter]  Awesome. Okay, good.</v>


1097

01:04:56.040 --> 01:04:59.080

Now I feel comfortable going there in the winter as well. [laughter]


1098

01:05:00.780 --> 01:05:04.200

All right, well Eva, thank you so much for coming on the show.


1099

01:05:04.310 --> 01:05:08.080

I really appreciate it. Um, for all the listeners right now,


1100

01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.360

remember if you want to join in on the conversation or add something,


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I do rely on paid subscriptions to keep this going. Um,


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[Eva] Thank you. Thank you for the beautiful work you're doing.</v>