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"Developing nation? Bro. Let's get to the point. We're a poor country," says Aeron. In this conversation, Aeron DEllosa from @animmigrantslifepodcast and Nolan Yuma don't hide the truth with political correctness. Instead, they get right to the point when discussing immigrating to Canada, Filipino culture and psychology, Tagalog, decolonization, and racism.
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[Voices] Inescapably, inescapably, inescapably.</v>
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[Nolan] Inescapably, foreign. Welcome to Without Borders.</v>
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I'm your host, Nolan Yuma. If this is your first time tuning into the show,
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know that this is the show for immigrants, nomads, or refugees,
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or third culture kids, or anyone else that feels inescapably foreign.
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Today, I'm here with Aeron Dellosa. Uh,
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he's a host of the podcast in Immigrants Life,
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which won the Canadian Ethnic Media Association Award for Journalistic
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Excellence for Podcasting in 2022. Uh,
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we'll get a little bit more into his podcast and his objectives and everything
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like that. Uh, but just to start it off. Aaron, how are you doing today, man?
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[Aeron] I am great. Thank you so much for having me, my man.</v>
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[Nolan] And I'm happy to have you on the show. I think, uh,</v>
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from the things I've heard on your podcast,
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I think we have a lot of overlapping objectives and, and interests.
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Um, so Aaron, you're, you're an immigrant yourself. Um,
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how long ago did you move away from the Philippines?
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[Aeron] Actually, this year it'll turn 20, so it 20. I came here when I was 20,</v>
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and now I'm living in Canada for 20 years.
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[Nolan] And where, where in Canada, just so the listeners know.</v>
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[Aeron] Montreal man, the greatest city in the world.</v>
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[Nolan] [laughter]Why, why is it the greatest city in the world?</v>
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[Aeron] Cause it is the best. It's the, the, I love Montreal, man.</v>
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I'm like a number one fan of Montreal. I haven't traveled as vastly as you,
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but I have spoken to people that I've traveled as,
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and every time I listen to other podcasts, even like, I don't know,
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Rogan podcast, whatever. Every time people talks about Montreal,
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they'll say it's the best.
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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. I, I haven't had the chance to go to Montreal yet. I should come by.</v>
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I think it's the, probably the cultural highlight of Canada. Uh,
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maybe some be pissed off for me saying that, but I, I think so. No.
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[Aeron] Dude. Hey man, come at me. I'm ready, bro. [laughter] ,</v>
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I was actually having a conversation with a friend about, like,
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the main cities in Canada, and he was born here, and he was saying, oh,
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you know, Vancouver and Toronto would be number one. Like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
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I don't know about that, dude. I mean, I've been to Toronto. I love Toronto.
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I do. Vancouver, I was planning to come this year, but didn't work out.
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I don't know. The nu Montreal has that, that spice, that flare,
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that European thing, you know, that those two doesn't have.
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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I kind of agree, even though I haven't been to Montreal,</v>
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just from what I hear, and I've lived in Vancouver. To me,
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it seems like Montreal is like the, the deep, sophisticated,
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diverse, um, sibling.
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And then the Vancouver's kind of the, the sexy superficial sister.
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[Aeron] [laughter]Yeah, the easygoing one. I feel like.</v>
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[Nolan] Easy going too West coast. Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] Yeah, yeah.</v>
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[Nolan] Yeah. All right. I didn't, superficial,</v>
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I'm kind of hating on Vancouver right there. But I,
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I did love Vancouver for many things. I do like the West Coast culture.
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I'm a kombucha drinking craft, beer drinking kind of guy.
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Um, but at the same time, it gets a little bit tiring,
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just the how expensive everything is, just, uh, and it, it,
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the conversations do get superficial. Like,
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I don't think you go a day without talking about housing prices.
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[Aeron] Uh, yeah, I know Toronto's the same. Montreal, not so much. I,</v>
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that's what also I love of Montreal. It's a world trust,
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world plus country. However, it's still, it's still cheap,
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you know, in, in a sense. Affordable. I mean.
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[Nolan] Yeah, especially with the amount of opportunities I.</v>
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[Aeron] Yeah. I mean, yes, we have the French and the English, um, political,</v>
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you know, uh, conflict. But hey, you know what, dude,
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there's no earthquake, there's no famine, there's no, you know,
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you're not avoiding gunshots. I'm good homes.
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[Nolan] Yeah. There's minus 50. That's, that's it, I guess. Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] Well, now it's spring, so we are getting good. Now.</v>
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[Nolan] What, what about making friends there?</v>
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Because one thing that I've heard is that Montreal's kinda like this brain
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drain, right? Like everyone goes there for some of the best universities. Well,
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one of the best universities in Canada, if not the best, right? McGill and then.
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[Aeron] In the world.</v>
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[Nolan] One of the top in the world. Right. Um, now I went to UBC,</v>
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so I'm gonna argue that UVC is just as good. But.
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[Aeron] Yeah, [laughter] , UBC is good.</v>
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[Nolan] Miguel. Miguel is great. And what I've heard is kind of a brain, Dan, like,</v>
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people go there to study. They, they live their youth there.
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They enjoy the culture, and then they leave Montreal because like,
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um,
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let's say Calgary pays a lot more and then heading down south to the states,
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they pay a lot more. Have you noticed that a bit,
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like you meet younger people and then after a few years are gone? Or.
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[Aeron] First of all, I'm an old man. I'm not young anymore, but when I was younger,</v>
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uh, yeah. People actually leaves Montreal and then they'll say, I miss Montreal.
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But yes, to answer your question, yes, it has happened.
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We also have problems with, um, with doctors,
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doctor leaves, because again,
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you need to be good in French and English and some of the, a lot of people doesn't
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wanna deal with that. Also, the pay, it's the number one.
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[Nolan] Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] A lot of people leaves cuz you know, the pay is just, it's not fair,</v>
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you know, a lot of work for the equal pay. It doesn't make sense.
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[Nolan] But do you, do you think because it's a little bit less expensive than,</v>
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let's say Toronto, less expensive than Vancouver,
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that it kind of evens out lifestyle wise or not?
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[Aeron] I mean, yeah, that, that does make sense in a sense,</v>
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but I guess they always look for the,
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like the, the, the bag over the overall picture.
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You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that's what,
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that's what they're looking, Hey, I'm not moving.
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I'm gonna be staying in Montreal until I die.
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[Nolan] That is, I love how much of a fan you are. Uh, well,</v>
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I was gonna get into this a little bit later, but let's get into it now.
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How Canadian do you feel now?
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[Aeron] How Canadian? I I always say I'm 50 50, like 50 Filipino, 50 Canadian.</v>
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I, this is how I say it. My heart belongs in Canada.
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My soul belongs in the Philippines.
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[Nolan] Can you expand on that a bit? I, I feel it. But.</v>
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[Aeron] In Canada, I love Canada. I love Montreal as see, you know,</v>
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people will be listening to this. I love it. Everything about it, you know, the,
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the good and the bad. I always, I always choose Canada,
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but when I come home and I have a chance to come
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home, the ancestor speaks and I just,
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it has this feeling of, I, I can't explain this.
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Okay. Uh, like a few years ago, I went home the first time since,
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I don't know, I think it was 10 to 15 years since I came home. And, you know,
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being Canadian, I'm like, ah, Philippines,
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it's a place I do miss a bit, but not really. I'm, you know,
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here now I went home, I was, I was just, it was a beautiful night.
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Stars are out, you know what a tricycle is?
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[Nolan] Like, like three wheel bike? Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] Well, it, it's a, it's a motorcycle. Three wheel. Okay. Three-wheel motorcycle.</v>
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So it's one in my, in my, in the Philippines, it's one of the, uh,
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form of transportation if you're going to like, close places, you know.
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And I was sitting in the back ride, which is the back part of the driver,
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and I was just like, like, I'm up.
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I know I'm 5’10’ in a good day.
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And I was just like, um, bent over like this.
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And it's so uncomfortable position. And I'm sitting on a metal, uh,
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metal part of the motorcycle,
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and I just look up and I was looking at the sun and the, the moon in the stars,
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and I was like, I don't know. It was just like, I said, God,
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I missed this place. I love this place. And I said, like,
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I, and I also say it like,
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it's like seeing your ex-girlfriend that you love,
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that you broke up with. Not because you don't love each other anymore,
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but because circumstances happened.
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[Nolan] Yeah, yeah. </v>
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[Aeron] And you see her, she looks at you, you look at her and she's like,</v>
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she still got it.
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[Nolan] I get that.</v>
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[Aeron] You know. Well.</v>
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[Nolan] On, on some, on one of your shows, I,</v>
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I did hear you once say that you never felt like you were born in the
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right country. Do you still feel that way?
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Or is that kind of changing? Like when you went back, did you feel, oh,
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maybe this is one of my countries?
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[Aeron] Yeah, I agree with that. Like, I think, I think it, bro,</v>
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I grew up poor. I know we're talking about poor,
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poor, third world country poor, you know? And I always had,
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I don't know,
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I always had that feeling the way I think compared to the people that is
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surrounded around me, it was so different.
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And every time I watch or listen or read something Western,
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I agree more with the Western idea.
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So it made me feel like, I don't think I was born in the right country.
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You know? I, and again, I love the Philippines. I'll never live back there,
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by the way. I'm just letting you know, [laughter] so crazy. Um,
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but I always had that feeling that, that I don't feel like I was belong there.
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Again, when I go back,
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the ancestors speaks and I do feel at home in that sense.
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But I would always still choose at least Canada. You know?
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I feel like Canada is my home.
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[Nolan] Although,</v>
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what are some of those things that you agree with when it comes to the Western
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perspective?
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Like you mentioned that growing up you heard some of the West and you felt like
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you aligned with that a bit more. What, what are some of those.
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[Aeron] Individualistic, like always,</v>
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always love yourself before you love others. Right?
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In a western, in the eastern culture is always love your family first,
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and then you can love yourself later. Yeah. A collectivism idea,
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which is great in a way, but, you know,
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always believe that you have to love yourself first before you love each other.
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Uh, other people. Like, I was watching this when I was really young.
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I saw this Filipino show about this hero of the revolution in
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the Philippines. Again, the Spanish.
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And he was saying he was a blacksmith. And he was saying the,
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the whole town was saying that, okay, we need to fight,
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we need our arms to fight against Spanish. And the blacksmith,
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who's one of the leader in the town says, no, dude, we need to eat first.
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We need to take care of ourselves first before we can fight. And I was like,
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yellow. That makes so much sense. If you are hungry, you're not fighting,
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you dead. Yeah. So I've, I I always grab on that idea,
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which I learned later, excuse me,
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the later on that that's a westernized idea of like,
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love yourself first and then love your love other people. First again, second.
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[Nolan] And I, what about,</v>
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I might butcher the pronounce the hate pronunciation here because I don't speak
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Tagalog. Uh, but Utang na loob
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[Aeron] Uh, I hate this [laughter]I hate Utang na loob </v>
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[Nolan] So, so listeners know this is kind of like debt, debt of obligation, right?</v>
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[Aeron] Emotionally debt, emotional debt. Okay.</v>
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[Nolan] So what, why do you hate this?</v>
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[Aeron] Because you'll never able to pay it.</v>
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Cause let's say you Nolan, one day you need help.
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I don't know monetarily, let's say most likely it's monetarily i'll,
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I'll give you money, right? And then you achieve whatever you need to achieve.
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You could pay me that amount of money,
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but I will always have that Utang na loob over you.
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Cuz I will always tell you, Nolan,
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remember that moment you are dying and I saved you. Yeah, yeah.
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You'll never be able to pay it because it's emotional.
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How can you pay something emotional? Yeah. That doesn't, doesn't, it's not,
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uh, physical. I always, always, like,
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every time I talk to a family member or a friends, they're like, oh, you know,
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I have Utang na loob to these people. Like, whoa, no, you did your job.
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That's equal. That's it. You move on.
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But al they always use it as a,
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a cloud over you saying like, Hey Nolan,
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you will always have Utang na loob to me and you'll never be better than me.
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[Nolan] Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] Especially when like most Filipino culture, when someone,</v>
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uh, immigrates, let's say Canada, right? If I bring someone over,
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let's say a cousin or whoever,
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that person always had that Utang na loob up to me. I don't look at that way,
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but culturally that's how they look at it. And they will say,
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you can never be better than me because I brought you here.
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I made your life better.
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[Nolan] Yeah. I, on a personal level, I see that being difficult.</v>
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And even on like a bigger scheme too,
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I read some opinions about how this could play a role in corruption
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as well. Because having this, the,
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this culture of Utang na loob, right?
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[Aeron] It's.</v>
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[Nolan] Utang na loob kind could be part of why there's kinda like this national corruption.</v>
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Because if you have to return the favors all the time or someone's able to hold
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this over your head, that plays a big role in corruption.
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Do, do you think that's true?
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[Aeron] Or percent, like I said, by the way,</v>
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for the people that doesn't know Utang na loob is loosely translated to means
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that now is like off law is like, um,
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like in law is inside, it means inside.
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So that inside it means like emotionally. So that's why you'll never pay for it.
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Right. And never be able to pay it. And yeah, a hundred percent. Cuz again,
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Nolan, you're running to be a mayor. I'm the governor, Nolan,
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I'm gonna help you out. Nolan wins and you'll be like, Nolan,
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remember that time you ran for mayor? So now you have to pay me,
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right? Yeah.
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And then I'll have to pay someone above me and it just continues and continues.
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Cronyism.
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[Nolan] Yeah. That's another way to put it..</v>
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[Aeron] Yeah. You know, it's just, I don't know, it's just,</v>
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I hate.
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[Nolan] The, but it exists and it's all,</v>
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I wonder if it has a little bit of a Spanish influence too,
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because cronyism here in Spain,
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we translated to amigismo and that's definitely how things work here as
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well. No, I don't think it's as strong as in the Philippines. But I mean,
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to work your way up in Spain,
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it does rely a bit on the connections and the circles that you're in and like
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returning favors.
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And I think that's even more prevalent in some places in Latin America.
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And you just, you kind of see this in a lot of well places where corruption.
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[Aeron] Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like politically yes, that's how it is.</v>
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But I feel like Filipinos, we use Utang na loob.
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like personally in the sense that it could be anything, dude. It could be like,
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I don't know, you, your kids are, you know, dying of starvation.
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I'll give you money over, you are over, dude. You're like,
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I had that overview for the rest of your life.
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[Nolan] Yeah. Well, do you think there's any good sides to it?</v>
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[Aeron] They're good side, they're always good sign and bad side on things. Right? Yeah.</v>
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[Nolan] Good. That's why I wanna make sure we get into the good sides. Yeah. So.</v>
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[Aeron] The good side is I,</v>
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I'll see that people are grateful to the person that helped them. Uh,
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people are always humble that, oh,
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Nolan helped me when I was, uh, when I was, you know, struggling.
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So you always have the respect towards extra, extra respect to Nolan. That's,
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you know, thinking on top, on top of my head, that's what I can think of.
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Like being grateful and being, you know,
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humble towards the person or people that help you when you were struggling.
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[Nolan] Mm-hmm. And then another thing I think I can tie into this too,</v>
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is um, uh, Pakikisama
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[Aeron] Mm-hmm. </v>
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[Nolan] I guess would, would you translate it as not rocking the boat.</v>
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[Aeron] A little bit? Yeah, I'll see that. Cause you have to, it's,</v>
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I look at it as a, um, tribe mentality.
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Okay. You cannot, there's a circle,
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you cannot get out of the circle cuz you are gonna stand out. Right.
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And this is normal to mostly conservative
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culturally, nation and cultures that you cannot be better than us
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because we're in a circle and Yeah. [inaudible] again,
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positive great. You, you know, as the,
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the African saying, if you wanna go fast, go alone.
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If you wanna go long further go together.
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Right. Which is great, but sometimes you wanna do your own thing.
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[Nolan] Yeah. You.</v>
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[Aeron] Know, but no, again, Pakikisama you have to, oh,</v>
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the group help me out. I need to be with them. And one thing,
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uh, bring it to, um, to a personal level, I played basketball was, you know,
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Filipinos played basketball and we will join the group,
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we will join a team and we were pretty good. So we will make,
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we'll be 15 players, but always we only end up playing eight people.
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The rest are not playing. But when it's playoffs time or finals time,
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cuz it's time to shine, people that doesn't play will suddenly start playing.
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And I always tell my teammate, like, you, they cannot do this.
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It's not fair for them to just jump into our hard work.
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And it'll mess up the chemistry. And then they'll say, well,
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you know Pakikisama you have to be like, will they pay? Like,
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I don't care dude, I'll give them their money. Yeah.
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They didn't even work for this, but they wanna get that flame, that clout. Oh,
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I hate it. I quit the team after a few times. Like,
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I cannot set up myself for a heartbreak every time because this is,
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I cannot control,
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I can control the idea of me playing well and you guys are playing well.
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But the idea of them just joining in and ruin the chemistry,
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no way, homie. I was like, okay,
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one more year and then that's it and it'll happen again. And okay, I'm done.
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[Nolan] So what is the difference then between the,</v>
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the Pakikisama and then Hiya like the,
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the idea of shame and losing face?
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Are they related at all or is it different?
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[Aeron] I would say they're touching a little bit. You know,</v>
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there is a, um, what's the word for, for it? Like,
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there's a dichotomy between the two, right? It, they all,
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they interconnected here is like, oh, um,
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let's say I owe you money, right?
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and I'm always ashamed towards you because,
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because I owe you money. But,
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and then if you Nolan wants to do something that I'm against with
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whatever it is, you know,
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like going out to party or something big because I have the Pakikisama
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and then the Pakikisama I have to go with you because I need to, you know,
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Pakikisama That's the word ma with you. And it just,
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you, it, it,
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it make you do things that you don't wanna do because I feel I'm trying to save
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face with you or the culture or, or the community.
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[Nolan] Yeah. That makes sense to me.</v>
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And I guess this also ties into that Filipinos aren't
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confrontational. Yeah. I don't, I don't know how accurate it is,
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but if you look at some of the,
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the business research when it comes to cultural psychology and a lot of this
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business research, it's kind of flawed because they,
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they do it in a business setting,
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which means that they're looking at a certain socio-economic background. Mm-hmm.
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They're looking at, you know, a certain culture within those cultures. Mm-hmm.
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Um, but it does seem like Phillip,
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like the Philippines is very far on the side of avoid confrontation.
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[Aeron] Hundred. That's the Asian thing, right? Like, um, uh,</v>
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Gladwell the, his book, uh, 10,000,
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what's the book I'm terrible with? I'm, I'm good with reading books.
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I've always forget the name. Uh, the one, the 10,000 hours one.
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[Nolan] Yeah, I know what you're talking about. He's um, that escapes me right now too.</v>
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[Aeron] Uh, outlier. Outlier. So there's a part of the book they're showing, uh,</v>
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Koreans pilots and the Korean airlines crashes all the
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time and they couldn't figure it out. It's like people are dying.
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So they hired people over, uh, a westernized western,
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uh, uh, like I don't know that director or something.
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And he studied it and he figured out that the co-pilot
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respect the pilot so much that even though the pilot's gonna do something
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dangerous, he respect him so much that he won't even say anything.
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[Nolan] That also comes into the hierarchy culture.</v>
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[Aeron] Exactly. So it's pretty much the same idea that anyways, to,</v>
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to finish the, the Korean story, the Korean airline story, they force the,
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the pilots, the co-pilot say, Hey,
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if it's gonna make a decision that it's gonna kill you all, you gotta make a,
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you gotta speak up. So it's seem, it's pretty much the same.
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The hierarchy we're very hierarchical ideas. If we are very, like,
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if someone get a little bit of power br bro,
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that person will take it like to a la Max.
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[Nolan] And do you feel like you used to agree with it at all?</v>
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Or were you just kind of born not agreeing with that?
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[Aeron] I think I was born not agreeing with that. Like, I always get,</v>
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I always get in trouble. I always get in trouble. My grandma was always,
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I love her, rest in peace.
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She always like gets mad at me with that half.
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But I'm, I, I was grateful too with my family cuz they allowed it,
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they allowed me to be me. They're like, yeah, that's just him.
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He says crazy shit.
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[Nolan] Now what, what was it like for you coming to Canada at first?</v>
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Did you feel like people there were confrontational?
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Because I think we might have different experiences here. Cuz like my parents,
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um, well my mom is Argentinian and Belgium, my dad's, uh,
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from Belgium and Belgiums aren't quite as confrontational as
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the Dutch. But I think my parents are quite [laughter]
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They're probably won't like hearing this,
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but they're more Dutch when it comes to confrontation.
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Like they're really straight up with negative feedback and everything.
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cuz Canadians are quite friendly and everything too. Even though they're like,
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if you look at the entire world,
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they're I think a little bit more on the confrontational side,
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but they're less confrontational than Dutch for sure.
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how they would speak to people, they always thought, okay,
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here we have a friendship, this person really likes me.
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And then afterwards they would hear like, oh, behind their backs.
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Those people had a completely different opinion among my parents than what they
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said in front of their faces.
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And it was really difficult for my parents to adapt to that in Canada.
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Cause they found the Canadians like opposite of confrontational,
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that they wouldn't like avoid telling the truth in front of their faces.
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Was it the opposite for you at all or.
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[Aeron] You mean like confrontational wise?</v>
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[Nolan] Yeah. Like did you feel Canadians were confrontational then compared to your</v>
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background? Or do you feel like Canadians are also also avoid confrontation?
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[Aeron] I think they avoid confrontation. I think it's passive aggressiveness.</v>
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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah.</v>
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[Aeron] I I think that came from British, you know, the brits, right? They'll say like,</v>
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they,
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they have this way of saying things that is not really
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confrontational, but if you dissect it, you'll see oh, he's,
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they're saying something.
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[Nolan] Yeah. Yeah. You know, I,</v>
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I wish I could quote it exactly cuz you are brought up the airlines,
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but there's another example with that, with the British Airlines.
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And the captain says something like, I don't know exactly what it was,
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but something like, um, everyone, you have much reason to remain calm.
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We are about to land, uh, we are about to go down.
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None of the engines are working. So please remain in your seat.
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And it's just like, instead of No,
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it's kinda like a wrapping around the.
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[Aeron] Yeah, that's what they, that's what they do. They like it. It's a great way.</v>
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But yeah, going back to your question, no I didn't feel confrontational.
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Obviously there's uh, some cultural differences.
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Meaning that in the Philippines,
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if you are a worker you have to call your boss
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sir or ma'am is just a thing,
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is you have to show respect again hierarchical, right.
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And with that, they always say most of the people, oh, I'm not your boss.
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we even call random people, random men,
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usually men in the street like, oh boss, uh, where is the library?
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Or whatever, you know. So no, I didn't find that there's some little things.
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No, I always, I found them more, um, more accepting,
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you know, that's one thing I like more welcoming, confrontational, not so much.
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Again, it's the British way, some of them in general by the way obviously.
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But no, I didn't find them more confrontational. But we,
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Filipinos are the best with not confronting people man.
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We are the best at the shit. We're like the Michael Jordan of that, you know,
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we'll just talk shit behind you.
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[Nolan] [laughter] I was wondering,</v>
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do you think this ties in in any ways with political correctness?
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Like nowadays in Canada too, right?
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I think the kinda like political correct language kind of gets pushed a little
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bit more, especially in, in certain circles, like in the universities and stuff.
436
00:26:27.150 --> 00:26:32.140
Do you think Filipinos might adapt quicker to using this politically correct
437
00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:34.380
language because they don't want to offend people?
438
00:26:35.070 --> 00:26:39.700
Or is there kind of a difference here between being politically correct
439
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and not wanting to offend people?
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00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:45.800
[Aeron] No, I don't think, I think they're both different cuz trust me,</v>
441
00:26:46.610 --> 00:26:49.350
you come to my family and you start gaining weight,
442
00:26:49.350 --> 00:26:51.790
they will call you and own that. Like
443
00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.150
[inaudible] like you're getting fat. Yeah.
444
00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:59.110
There's no political correctness in our culture. You know,
445
00:26:59.110 --> 00:27:03.430
we would not confront you in, let's say, uh,
446
00:27:03.430 --> 00:27:07.670
let's say Nolan is being too confident. Like they'll say, oh, you're too,
447
00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:09.830
being confident, you're arrogant. They'll never say that.
448
00:27:09.830 --> 00:27:13.790
But if you start gain weight hmm. They will let you know.
449
00:27:14.420 --> 00:27:18.230
Yeah. You know, little things like that. Even my wife is Canadian,
450
00:27:18.600 --> 00:27:22.110
so when we started dating, I told her, I was like, the first time I,
451
00:27:22.110 --> 00:27:25.270
she's gonna meet the family, like, listen, by the way,
452
00:27:25.620 --> 00:27:29.310
they will gonna feed you so much that your belly is gonna explode.
453
00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:33.840
And then eventually they'll call you fat. That's how they are [laughter]
454
00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:38.880
And then after calling you fat, they will say, did you eat [laughter] ?
455
00:27:39.790 --> 00:27:42.560
It's, it's like a crazy mentality, you know.
456
00:27:42.850 --> 00:27:46.000
[Nolan] To be honest. I love it. I [laughter]I think it's pretty fun.</v>
457
00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:50.640
[Aeron] Yeah. But, but I, like I said, like I told her, I said, if they not,</v>
458
00:27:50.910 --> 00:27:55.100
they're not trying to be mean. They're just saying you are getting weight.
459
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.820
You know, it, it, it's a fact also,
460
00:27:57.820 --> 00:28:02.500
we also equate that to I'm taking care of her.
461
00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:07.540
I'm feeding her. Cuz you know, back in the days some culture, they,
462
00:28:07.540 --> 00:28:10.080
if you are chubby or fat,
463
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.810
they'll know that you have money because you can eat. You know.
464
00:28:15.270 --> 00:28:18.370
But yeah. Confrontational. No, not, not really. I don't,
465
00:28:18.370 --> 00:28:22.990
I I don't think they together or I mean like political correctness.
466
00:28:22.990 --> 00:28:26.030
I mean I, no, we don't have problem with that. Trust me.
467
00:28:26.030 --> 00:28:27.110
We're gonna tell you what's up.
468
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:28.310
[Nolan] Oh, good to know.</v>
469
00:28:28.310 --> 00:28:31.110
Cause I I think that's something people have to be aware of is sometimes,
470
00:28:32.790 --> 00:28:33.140
uh,
471
00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:37.180
trying not to offend people doesn't really correlate with how straight up you
472
00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:39.820
are with language. Right. Because I think a lot of the time,
473
00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:42.380
especially in North American, in the west,
474
00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:46.540
we spend so much time nowadays talking about like which words you're not allowed
475
00:28:46.540 --> 00:28:49.660
to use and how you're supposed to say things. Right.
476
00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:54.400
But that doesn't really mean that you're not confrontational.
477
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:55.480
[Aeron] There.</v>
478
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.080
[Nolan] There is a separation there. Yeah. Maybe.</v>
479
00:28:58.090 --> 00:29:00.680
[Aeron] We will use words that are like, you know,</v>
480
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.520
like we can pick it out if you want them. But in the Filipino,
481
00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:08.310
which is in Spanish, negro means black,
482
00:29:08.310 --> 00:29:11.390
that's why we use the word, there's no, like, there's another word,
483
00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:14.640
but we use that for Itim, is it black?
484
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:19.520
But that's for the color of let's say, uh, microphone or wall or whatever.
485
00:29:19.620 --> 00:29:23.230
But if we're talking about a black person, we'll say negro that doesn't in.
486
00:29:23.230 --> 00:29:24.390
[Nolan] Spanish, probably from the Spanish.</v>
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00:29:24.390 --> 00:29:28.630
[Aeron] Exactly. But that doesn't mean the n word in in, in American.</v>
488
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:33.370
That's just how it is. We're not trying, of course we're very respectful people,
489
00:29:33.370 --> 00:29:37.090
but we don't do the political correctness thing.
490
00:29:37.520 --> 00:29:41.130
[Nolan] Yeah. And well, how do you feel about that personally?</v>
491
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.080
Do you feel a little bit more Canadian?
492
00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:46.640
Like do you feel like we should be limiting our language or do you,
493
00:29:47.010 --> 00:29:49.800
do you kind of more align with the Filipino way here? Like, oh,
494
00:29:49.800 --> 00:29:53.040
let's just use the word, um, and not beat around the bush.
495
00:29:53.310 --> 00:29:57.320
[Aeron] Yeah, that's, that's me. I I will use the word that, that exactly.</v>
496
00:29:57.990 --> 00:29:59.800
That exactly. Uh,
497
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.520
explains what I'm trying to talk about or say to you. I don't do the,
498
00:30:04.710 --> 00:30:09.070
I don't, I don't do the mixed like, oh, well, you know, uh,
499
00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:13.830
I, I don't, I can't think of anything. Okay. Great example. Retarded,
500
00:30:14.150 --> 00:30:16.870
right? I will never, ever,
501
00:30:16.870 --> 00:30:21.350
ever call a person that has mentally challenged the, that word.
502
00:30:21.540 --> 00:30:25.510
I won’t. But I'll use that word anyway. Yeah. In the sense that like,
503
00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:26.990
that's a retarded move.
504
00:30:27.410 --> 00:30:31.620
But I'll never call use that word for a mentally challenged person. Yeah.
505
00:30:31.620 --> 00:30:35.220
You know, I have family members that are, that are mentally challenged.
506
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.380
I'll never call them that word, but I'll still use that word. Why,
507
00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:41.660
why are you stopping me to use that word? You know, I,
508
00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:44.620
I I don't believe in muting words.
509
00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:47.770
[Nolan] Exactly, man. I, I agree with you. Like,</v>
510
00:30:47.770 --> 00:30:52.450
I think a lot of these people kind of advocating for this language control,
511
00:30:53.280 --> 00:30:57.530
they frame it as a way that they're trying to protect marginalized groups and
512
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limit racism.
513
00:30:59.550 --> 00:31:04.530
But really most of the people I hear that are really advocates of this are
514
00:31:04.530 --> 00:31:08.810
people from upper middle class backgrounds that went to elite
515
00:31:08.810 --> 00:31:12.370
universities. And then they,
516
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.930
they get these jobs in these think tanks,
517
00:31:14.930 --> 00:31:19.490
they get these and because they have these elites, um, this elite status,
518
00:31:19.490 --> 00:31:22.450
they get on the news, they get on the,
519
00:31:22.710 --> 00:31:25.970
the media and then they're able to kind of like, push this message. Like,
520
00:31:25.970 --> 00:31:28.250
this is how we're going to help the people.
521
00:31:28.250 --> 00:31:32.570
But to me it seems like they're completely out of touch with immigrants and
522
00:31:32.600 --> 00:31:37.250
refugees and marginalized groups because they've just been in these elite little
523
00:31:37.250 --> 00:31:40.810
circles the whole time and they're just sharing each other's peer reviewed
524
00:31:40.810 --> 00:31:44.720
articles. And if they, like from,
525
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.520
from my experience with this podcast and also like listening to your podcast as
526
00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:53.040
well, a lot of the time these marginalized groups and everything,
527
00:31:53.040 --> 00:31:55.400
they don't give a shit about the language.
528
00:31:55.470 --> 00:31:59.760
They give a shit about the stuff that's actually going on, like, on, on one of,
529
00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:02.520
uh, on one of your podcasts. The,
530
00:32:02.520 --> 00:32:06.210
the person asks something like, oh,
531
00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:10.330
what is the word I'm supposed to use for this country? And you're like,
532
00:32:10.630 --> 00:32:14.890
the words developing nation, but bro, let's just be real.
533
00:32:14.890 --> 00:32:16.450
It's a poor country.
534
00:32:17.050 --> 00:32:21.860
[Aeron] [laughter]That's a Philippine in me. You know? I don't like,</v>
535
00:32:21.990 --> 00:32:26.380
uh, it's supposed to be a developing bro. It's a third world country.
536
00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:29.020
We're poor [laughter]Okay, let's move on. You know?
537
00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:33.860
But going back to your point about these people that gets into this stink
538
00:32:33.860 --> 00:32:38.740
tank, I just had a, I had a friend that calls homeless people,
539
00:32:39.670 --> 00:32:43.880
unhoused people. And I'm like, bro, what the,
540
00:32:44.070 --> 00:32:47.620
like who said this shit by the way? I'm sorry, I'm swearing.
541
00:32:48.340 --> 00:32:50.530
[Nolan] Oh dude, you can swear </v>
542
00:32:50.530 --> 00:32:54.810
[Aeron] Okay. Like un house. I'm like, who said this shit? This did,</v>
543
00:32:54.810 --> 00:32:59.090
the homeless people said that they unhoused people. I don't think so.
544
00:32:59.090 --> 00:33:03.530
Cause they're busy looking for food. Yeah. You know, like, well, you know,
545
00:33:03.530 --> 00:33:07.330
we don't wanna argue. I'm like, listen dude, you say whatever you wanna say.
546
00:33:07.590 --> 00:33:10.930
I'm gonna say homeless cause they are homeless, you know?
547
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.000
like, I don't, I don't adhere to those like, oh,
548
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.480
don't call them that because no,
549
00:33:18.290 --> 00:33:23.070
I'm not doing that unless I see personally that, yeah, I think that's hurtful.
550
00:33:23.530 --> 00:33:27.070
And then I'll mo and then I'll change my, my uh, my word.
551
00:33:27.450 --> 00:33:30.430
But homeless and unhouse, it's the same thing.
552
00:33:31.350 --> 00:33:35.800
You're just making it fancy un house. What you mean un house? What? Like,
553
00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:38.970
what is that? A turtle, you know, [laughter]
554
00:33:40.780 --> 00:33:45.340
[Nolan] Yeah, for sure. Um, okay, so yeah, now,</v>
555
00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:46.940
now we're kind of getting into some of the,
556
00:33:46.940 --> 00:33:50.490
the size or size where you feel a little bit more Filipino.
557
00:33:50.490 --> 00:33:53.850
We've got it covered how you feel a bit more Canadian.
558
00:33:54.250 --> 00:33:57.490
Anything else that was a challenge for you when you had to acculturate Canada?
559
00:33:58.760 --> 00:34:03.460
[Aeron] Uh, none really. Cuz I was very, again,</v>
560
00:34:03.570 --> 00:34:05.260
like living in the Philippines, I was like,
561
00:34:05.260 --> 00:34:08.700
my mentality was westernized already. Yes. They're,
562
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.940
you know, finding new friends. Hello dude. That's, uh,
563
00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:15.370
cuz I'm very introvert. I'm very private person.
564
00:34:16.470 --> 00:34:20.130
And even in the Philippines, I'm very like, I don't look for friends.
565
00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:22.850
Friends just somehow meets me.
566
00:34:22.850 --> 00:34:26.450
And then we become friends in the Philippines. When I, before I move,
567
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:30.650
I will never leave my house without one or two person with me.
568
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:34.850
There's always [inaudible] you know, there's always someone with me.
569
00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:39.710
I got here, there was no one dude [laughter]I was, you know,
570
00:34:39.710 --> 00:34:43.150
homesick. You know, I, I miss my friends, I miss people.
571
00:34:44.670 --> 00:34:48.690
But that's the only part. And it was hard for me being an introvert,
572
00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:52.490
like going out and say, Hey, can, let's hang out.
573
00:34:52.750 --> 00:34:57.290
And the first person that I asked to hang out with, he said, no, I'm busy.
574
00:34:57.510 --> 00:35:01.670
And then I found out he, he wasn't busy. Cause like, ah, you,
575
00:35:02.970 --> 00:35:05.830
but eventually I found my people,
576
00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:10.710
I found friends and that's it. And I, again, growing up in the Philippines,
577
00:35:10.710 --> 00:35:13.940
I have, I have this idea of barcada
578
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:19.060
Barcada means a group of friends. That's what it means. It's a street name,
579
00:35:19.130 --> 00:35:20.980
A street word. I don't understand,
580
00:35:21.050 --> 00:35:24.580
I don't really know the etymology of the word, but that's,
581
00:35:25.010 --> 00:35:27.700
that's the word barcada. I always had the idea,
582
00:35:27.700 --> 00:35:32.190
I have to have barcada to be happy. And then I realized,
583
00:35:32.750 --> 00:35:34.830
actually no, I need one or two,
584
00:35:34.910 --> 00:35:39.720
maybe five people that are even separate for, and that's good for me.
585
00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:44.920
So I had to shift my idea with that, that I'm okay without a group of friends,
586
00:35:45.180 --> 00:35:49.790
you know. But yeah, other than that, to answer your question, no, I'm, I'm,
587
00:35:49.790 --> 00:35:54.050
I was pretty All right. And did you experience any racism or did your family?
588
00:35:58.520 --> 00:36:02.680
Not me. Okay. I don't know if this is racism,
589
00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:07.720
but one time I was getting gas and it's one of those gas stations that there's
590
00:36:07.720 --> 00:36:12.040
only one pump. So I park and then I see the other car park on the other side.
591
00:36:12.680 --> 00:36:16.340
And I grabbed the, the, the, what do you call this? The pump,
592
00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:19.320
I guess to put the gas. And I,
593
00:36:19.350 --> 00:36:23.720
I guess I was like few seconds ahead from the guy, which is the man who was a,
594
00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:28.160
he was a Caucasian, um, uh, Quebecois which is a,
595
00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:30.200
a person to speak French in Quebec.
596
00:36:30.650 --> 00:36:34.060
I grabbed it and he started getting mad and like, oh, I was here before you,
597
00:36:34.060 --> 00:36:37.580
this and that. I'm like, oh, so me, I'm very respectful. I said, I'm sorry sir,
598
00:36:37.580 --> 00:36:42.340
I was here before you. If you were here before me, you would've gotten it right.
599
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.340
And I would've given to you. And he was getting mad.
600
00:36:45.340 --> 00:36:49.040
And then he said something like, like, oh,
601
00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:53.960
you people come here. And so me, I don't know what he means by that.
602
00:36:54.270 --> 00:36:59.080
Does he mean me and as an immigrant or me as a brown person?
603
00:36:59.950 --> 00:37:04.160
I don't know. That's one. Either way it's prejudice, like Yeah. You know.
604
00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:06.560
But I'm easy going with prejudice. It actually,
605
00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:10.400
racism actually makes me laugh cause it's so dumb.
606
00:37:11.660 --> 00:37:16.030
It's dumb. Like why, what? It doesn't even make sense. Oh,
607
00:37:16.210 --> 00:37:19.230
you know what, I'm lying. There was one time I got,
608
00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:24.100
there was one time that I felt I was judged for what I,
609
00:37:24.100 --> 00:37:28.230
how I look. But it wasn't from a white person, it from a black person.
610
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.790
So a friend of mine who's a, um, black woman, she,
611
00:37:34.790 --> 00:37:39.670
we very close and we went to see her family and she's very close to me.
612
00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:43.230
I was supposed to, but she's more like, she's very touchy-feely with me. Like,
613
00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:46.030
he always hugs me and kisses me on the cheeks or whatever.
614
00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:51.530
So she introduced me to her family and she said, oh,
615
00:37:51.530 --> 00:37:53.960
this is my boyfriend as a joke.
616
00:37:54.930 --> 00:37:59.030
And one of her aunt got mad, like, oh, not with a China man.
617
00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:04.720
And I was, I was really deeply offended in a sense like,
618
00:38:05.810 --> 00:38:09.350
you are, you're black, I'm brown. Like we should be to like,
619
00:38:09.350 --> 00:38:11.950
we should be friends. Yeah. You know, like,
620
00:38:12.170 --> 00:38:16.110
you should not be racist towards me. And I mean,
621
00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:19.070
I'm not saying like racism is good, but you know what I mean? Like,
622
00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:22.950
we have the same struggles. We're both marginalized people.
623
00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:27.820
Why are you doing this to me? I just, you know, again, uh,
624
00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:32.380
water off of my back. But it's one of the thing that like, what the,
625
00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:37.070
what just happened. But other than that, not really my family. My mom,
626
00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:41.510
no, my dad, no, not really. One time I remember my mom,
627
00:38:41.630 --> 00:38:45.870
there was this group of kids that threw an egg at my mom cuz it was, uh,
628
00:38:45.870 --> 00:38:47.470
Halloween. I think it's a.
629
00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:49.110
[Nolan] That's Halloween though, right?</v>
630
00:38:49.110 --> 00:38:52.390
[Aeron] Yeah. Yeah. But that's all really nothing. And.</v>
631
00:38:52.390 --> 00:38:54.990
[Nolan] But what about more like the systemic racism, right?</v>
632
00:38:54.990 --> 00:38:59.830
So not people being assholes explicitly and saying horrible terms or
633
00:38:59.830 --> 00:39:00.910
doing shitty things,
634
00:39:00.910 --> 00:39:05.430
but more that systemic racism where you've noticed it was harder for your mom to
635
00:39:05.430 --> 00:39:09.190
get a job or it was harder for you to get a job in a certain way. Did did,
636
00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:10.870
do you think that happens in Canada?
637
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.190
Or do you think in Canada it's pretty good in that sense? It's because,
638
00:39:15.430 --> 00:39:16.510
I don't know. Cause I'm a white guy.
639
00:39:16.990 --> 00:39:20.790
[Aeron] [laughter] , it's pretty good. But I know, and I don't focus on that.</v>
640
00:39:20.790 --> 00:39:24.710
I always say to myself, like, if there's a job or what needs to get done,
641
00:39:24.740 --> 00:39:25.830
I will get it done.
642
00:39:26.970 --> 00:39:30.820
What the other people thinks towards me is none of my business.
643
00:39:30.930 --> 00:39:34.780
I will just do my job if they get it. If I can get the job, I get the job.
644
00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:38.890
If I don't get a job, hey, let's move on. Huh? However,
645
00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:44.130
I know this for a fact cuz a friend of mine used to work with this gentleman who
646
00:39:44.130 --> 00:39:47.130
is, I'd say white looking.
647
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:52.800
And apparently my friend told me that every time a person
648
00:39:52.830 --> 00:39:57.130
passes a CV to this guy, once he sees it's not,
649
00:39:58.240 --> 00:39:59.020
you know,
650
00:39:59.020 --> 00:40:03.940
French sounding or a western look sounding in the garbage straight goes.
651
00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:06.440
I'm like, oh.
652
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:08.600
[Nolan] Not, not French sounding.</v>
653
00:40:08.600 --> 00:40:09.600
[Aeron] Or French sounding.</v>
654
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[Nolan] But you also chuck away the English names. Like what if.</v>
655
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:16.960
[Aeron] No, no, if it's not westernized, you know, like I know Smith or whatever,</v>
656
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:17.840
you know, like, because I.
657
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.520
[Nolan] Know like Quebec back there are some like people that hate the, the English,</v>
658
00:40:21.520 --> 00:40:24.080
like the other people speak English, right? So they'll.
659
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.880
[Aeron] [laughter]No, no, he's good as this westernized</v>
660
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.560
Delloza. Gone. That’s not gonna happen. You know? And so it does happen.
661
00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:37.500
I'm sure it happened. But again, I had a, I had a friend that
662
00:40:38.350 --> 00:40:41.220
He has so much problems with, oh,
663
00:40:41.220 --> 00:40:44.060
I'm not getting my job that I want because I'm,
664
00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:49.320
excuse me for the term, but this is what he used Gook. I'm a gook. He says,
665
00:40:49.580 --> 00:40:54.300
I'm like, doesn't matter dude, like do your job. You know? And he says,
666
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:57.660
cause I'm not white, I'm not tall enough, you know, I'm Asian.
667
00:40:57.690 --> 00:41:00.380
That's why no one likes me. And I said, dude,
668
00:41:00.720 --> 00:41:03.300
I'm in a province that speaks two languages.
669
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.300
That the other language that is main language,
670
00:41:05.410 --> 00:41:10.340
I barely speaks and I'm doing okay. What's a problem? You know,
671
00:41:10.340 --> 00:41:14.860
I don't, I don't adhere to that. I may again shout out to my grandma,
672
00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:19.630
rest in peace. She always says, just do your job bro. You know, you know,
673
00:41:19.630 --> 00:41:24.080
it's say, just do your job and whatever happens, happens.
674
00:41:24.810 --> 00:41:28.440
[Nolan] Yeah. Well when we're talking about do just do your job.</v>
675
00:41:28.550 --> 00:41:32.800
When I heard a little bit about your story and just a lot of Filipinos,
676
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.760
Filipinos work hard as fuck.
677
00:41:36.200 --> 00:41:36.970
[Aeron] [laughter] </v>
678
00:41:36.970 --> 00:41:38.250
[Nolan] Right. Um,</v>
679
00:41:38.300 --> 00:41:42.010
so let's get a little bit of into that about your mom's story because that was
680
00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:46.410
one of the main inspirations for your podcast, right? Your mother. Yep. Um,
681
00:41:46.660 --> 00:41:49.650
so you only saw her once every two years.
682
00:41:50.540 --> 00:41:52.370
[Aeron] Correct. For a month.</v>
683
00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:54.580
[Nolan] And,</v>
684
00:41:54.580 --> 00:41:58.260
and so for how long was that that you would only see her once every two years.
685
00:41:58.370 --> 00:42:02.780
[Aeron] From eight years old to I would say since I moved here in Canada.</v>
686
00:42:02.830 --> 00:42:06.800
So I was 20. So from eight to 20. No mom [laughter] ,
687
00:42:07.950 --> 00:42:10.620
we, we, we see her once for a month. I don't,
688
00:42:11.010 --> 00:42:15.340
I think I saw her one Christmas time during those time.
689
00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:19.970
Maybe once. I think graduation birthday,
690
00:42:20.210 --> 00:42:24.250
Christmas, new Year, it doesn't matter. Mommy gotta work.
691
00:42:24.910 --> 00:42:26.970
[Nolan] And what was she doing at the time? She.</v>
692
00:42:26.970 --> 00:42:30.370
[Aeron] You know, typical Filipino, she's a domestic helper as they say.</v>
693
00:42:30.370 --> 00:42:33.130
Really clean lady, you know.
694
00:42:33.590 --> 00:42:34.810
[Nolan] But where was she working?</v>
695
00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:39.560
[Aeron] She was working in Hong Kong because it was the, it was like,</v>
696
00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:40.640
I think she had a,
697
00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:45.400
we had a family member that worked in Hong Kong and my mom man that,
698
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:46.800
that woman is the GOAT bro.
699
00:42:46.870 --> 00:42:50.840
Like I will put that woman against all the moms
700
00:42:51.750 --> 00:42:54.610
and she's probably Mount Rushmore, you know,
701
00:42:55.690 --> 00:42:58.910
cuz the things that she did, it was insane.
702
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:03.790
It like from poor to what we are now, it's all her.
703
00:43:04.200 --> 00:43:08.590
We literally didn't do anything. She did everything.
704
00:43:09.290 --> 00:43:11.590
And she was, you know, she was,
705
00:43:11.590 --> 00:43:15.150
she was telling me that she was doing three jobs every day.
706
00:43:15.150 --> 00:43:18.590
She barely take a day off cuz you know, we ha we,
707
00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:22.830
she wanted us for us to have a better life. And she didn't stop dude.
708
00:43:22.830 --> 00:43:26.070
She did not stop. And I never hated that.
709
00:43:26.580 --> 00:43:30.990
I never hated her for it. That even the worst time, even the tough times,
710
00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:35.550
never. Cuz I knew there's a, there's a goal. And to get that goal,
711
00:43:35.550 --> 00:43:39.630
we need to do, make a sacrifice. And again, shout out to my grandma,
712
00:43:39.660 --> 00:43:42.550
thankfully for her and my aunt, they kept us,
713
00:43:42.550 --> 00:43:44.710
they took care of us to the best of their ability.
714
00:43:45.060 --> 00:43:49.180
Even though we got whooped [laughter] Um,
715
00:43:50.170 --> 00:43:53.340
yeah, it helped so much that we achieved our goal.
716
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.300
And in my head there was no doubt we were reaching that goal.
717
00:43:58.470 --> 00:44:02.460
No doubt it was a hundred percent. It's gonna happen. I don't know how,
718
00:44:02.600 --> 00:44:03.820
but I knew it's gonna happen.
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00:44:05.240 --> 00:44:10.110
[Nolan] Uh, and one thing I that ties into with your mother, um,</v>
720
00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:14.990
I heard you say that you've, you consider the Philippines a matriarchal society.
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00:44:15.270 --> 00:44:16.190
[Aeron] Hmm. Yes it.</v>
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00:44:16.190 --> 00:44:19.790
[Nolan] Is. Cause it's the women that go off and work a lot of the time.</v>
723
00:44:20.020 --> 00:44:23.390
[Aeron] That's right. And the household is run by women.</v>
724
00:44:24.410 --> 00:44:26.070
The woman makes the decision.
725
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:28.110
[Nolan] So what do the men do?</v>
726
00:44:28.670 --> 00:44:32.510
[Aeron] We bring the money [laughter] That's all we do.</v>
727
00:44:32.600 --> 00:44:36.110
We bring the money and then they make sure
728
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:41.380
everything's good in the hood. It's like, uh,
729
00:44:42.060 --> 00:44:46.990
a great example. We have this term called commander. It means commander.
730
00:44:47.670 --> 00:44:49.020
So that's how we call our women.
731
00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:51.213
[Nolan] The commander.</v>
732
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:56.120
[Aeron] Yeah, they're the boss. You know, so we just made it Filipino commander,</v>
733
00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:59.000
or there's another term called Under the Dress.
734
00:44:59.570 --> 00:45:04.200
It means literally a person named Andres under the,
735
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.640
under the wife's dress. Cuz she's afraid of the woman [laughter]
736
00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:13.360
You'll never hear a term about like a man that afraid that a woman afraid of the
737
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:14.960
man. No, you will not hear that.
738
00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:18.480
But we always have terms about men scared of women. [laughter]
739
00:45:19.390 --> 00:45:20.320
[Nolan] That's amazing.</v>
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00:45:20.630 --> 00:45:24.520
[Aeron] Yeah. We we're like, that's one thing I love about our, our uh,</v>
741
00:45:25.140 --> 00:45:29.600
our culture is like, we look at each other as equals in a sense of that,
742
00:45:29.600 --> 00:45:34.480
that there's this thing that going back about, uh, political for agonists.
743
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.910
Uh, people are saying, you know, oh, there is this, uh, what do you call it?
744
00:45:38.910 --> 00:45:43.270
The, the, the, A job is specific for men and women only.
745
00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:46.990
Oh yeah. I forget the term. So what,
746
00:45:48.710 --> 00:45:51.600
that's the, that person is the best for doing that.
747
00:45:51.610 --> 00:45:54.760
We are not saying though that the woman cannot do it.
748
00:45:55.010 --> 00:45:57.560
Of course they can do some jobs that men can do,
749
00:45:58.140 --> 00:46:03.080
but they're better with that than imagine a man
750
00:46:03.230 --> 00:46:07.420
taking care of the house cleaning and everything. You know what I mean? Like,
751
00:46:07.430 --> 00:46:12.020
we can do it. But the women, they got that touch, that beautifying touch.
752
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.900
[Nolan] And my household, the gender rolls are swapped.</v>
753
00:46:15.060 --> 00:46:18.700
I'm the one that cleans the most. I'm the one that cooks. And then my partner,
754
00:46:18.700 --> 00:46:20.220
she's the one that fixes everything.
755
00:46:20.220 --> 00:46:22.420
If it’s broken does everything with mechanics.
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00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:25.340
[Aeron] [laughter] Well, there you go. See there's still a,</v>
757
00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:29.420
there's still an dis distinction that, oh this woman, she's good at this.
758
00:46:29.420 --> 00:46:33.580
That's what she does. Yeah, but you or you good at this things you good,
759
00:46:33.580 --> 00:46:36.870
you do that. But as a general, general speaking, uh,
760
00:46:36.870 --> 00:46:41.830
my culture is usually the man will take care of like quote on quote manly
761
00:46:41.830 --> 00:46:46.560
things and the women will take care of the woman things also. It's not the,
762
00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:48.640
it didn't work out well. But still,
763
00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:53.440
I would like to say that the Philippines is the first republic that ever voted a woman president.
764
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.640
[Nolan] I didn't know that.
765
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:01.720
[Aeron] Yeah. It wasn't a great thing to happen, but it's a,
766
00:47:01.720 --> 00:47:04.560
something that is good. You know what I mean? [Nolan] What happened?
767
00:47:05.690 --> 00:47:10.450
Corruption [laughter]Yeah. It, it was, it was chaos.
768
00:47:10.460 --> 00:47:14.650
He was not a good pol. Uh, she was not actually a politician.
769
00:47:15.390 --> 00:47:18.960
They just, uh, the dictator, um,
770
00:47:19.030 --> 00:47:23.760
Marcos the original, uh, he,
771
00:47:23.770 --> 00:47:24.603
he had a,
772
00:47:24.690 --> 00:47:29.560
he had a fight with the wa the husband of Aquino who
773
00:47:29.560 --> 00:47:32.920
is Nino. And they asa he got assassinated.
774
00:47:33.220 --> 00:47:36.760
The people that was running the show said, oh,
775
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:41.440
why don't we make her run for the office of the president? And will say,
776
00:47:41.490 --> 00:47:45.080
we used the emotional, you know, the emotional, uh,
777
00:47:45.950 --> 00:47:49.980
Dr Drive to get her into office. And she did win.
778
00:47:50.260 --> 00:47:52.220
There is no doubt she's not gonna win.
779
00:47:52.220 --> 00:47:54.580
Cause who you gonna choose the dictator over her?
780
00:47:54.990 --> 00:47:58.050
Who you gonna choose the woman? She's not the best, but, you know,
781
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.050
lesser evil I guess. I don't know. But yeah.
782
00:48:01.070 --> 00:48:05.410
And we have voted another woman in office. But again,
783
00:48:06.350 --> 00:48:09.980
it, you know, again, corruption still going. But yeah,
784
00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:13.780
going back to our topic that uh, where Western, um,
785
00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:17.580
we are matriarchal. Yeah. A hundred percent, matriarchal. Again.
786
00:48:18.260 --> 00:48:21.540
[Nolan] [Inaudible] And but even on the hierarchy, like let's with say,</v>
787
00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:25.740
so it sounds within the hierarchy within families, the woman is the boss.
788
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.660
Are there any situations where the man has to have
789
00:48:30.660 --> 00:48:35.220
more respect? Or is it always the woman that is, is on the top of the ladder?
790
00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:36.900
[Aeron] I think this is</v>
791
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.380
the colonial idea of when the Spanish came.
792
00:48:42.890 --> 00:48:45.220
This is when it changes that, okay,
793
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.260
the guys has to be in the position of power and like offices,
794
00:48:49.410 --> 00:48:54.040
like political offices and whatnot. But cuz if you really dissect,
795
00:48:54.040 --> 00:48:59.040
if you go to the, the indigenous, which where I lived,
796
00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:03.210
there were indigenous people. They're pretty much,
797
00:49:03.910 --> 00:49:06.970
you know, like, uh, leveled. Like there's no chief.
798
00:49:06.970 --> 00:49:11.730
Like we have our main chief in the original
799
00:49:11.730 --> 00:49:14.930
pre-colonial, we have the lady, um,
800
00:49:15.390 --> 00:49:18.690
our priest test is called [inaudible]. It's a woman.
801
00:49:19.090 --> 00:49:23.690
She's the one who cures everything, takes care of everything. Um,
802
00:49:24.340 --> 00:49:29.050
so the chief, there's not much really chief, but yeah, so.
803
00:49:29.050 --> 00:49:29.930
[Nolan] The chief is always a woman.</v>
804
00:49:30.570 --> 00:49:34.010
[Aeron] She's not really a woman. She's not really the chief, but okay,</v>
805
00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:38.850
the chief is a man, but the Dayang is stronger. Like she's not the leader,
806
00:49:39.110 --> 00:49:40.570
but everybody listens to her.
807
00:49:41.070 --> 00:49:42.330
[Nolan] Did it also depend,</v>
808
00:49:42.330 --> 00:49:47.170
because like I know there were many Indo-Malay tribal sediments settlements
809
00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:48.570
across the Philippines, right?
810
00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:53.570
then the Chinese mercantile empires came, then the Spanish colonialization.
811
00:49:54.140 --> 00:49:54.790
Um,
812
00:49:54.790 --> 00:49:59.740
but were there a lot of differences depending on the
813
00:49:59.740 --> 00:50:02.340
tribal, uh, settlements? Like the,
814
00:50:02.530 --> 00:50:06.020
were there some more that were more matriarchal? Some that weren't?
815
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.500
[Aeron] Not that I know of. No. It's always balance.</v>
816
00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:15.510
It's always just the Dayang and then there's the chief, the,
817
00:50:15.530 --> 00:50:17.030
the, the,
818
00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:21.430
the men will always get the main office kind as you say.
819
00:50:22.130 --> 00:50:24.750
But there's always that position,
820
00:50:24.750 --> 00:50:29.680
which pulls more power actually cuz it's closer to the community, you know.
821
00:50:30.210 --> 00:50:34.760
Um, again, when the Spanish came, they're like, Hey men. Number one,
822
00:50:34.830 --> 00:50:38.880
I was actually having a conversation with a cousin about this, uh, the prayer,
823
00:50:39.490 --> 00:50:43.810
uh, what Hail Mary,
824
00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:45.210
right? In Filipino,
825
00:50:45.210 --> 00:50:49.890
we say Aba Ginoong Maria, means Aba means to show respect.
826
00:50:50.100 --> 00:50:54.930
Ginoong means, um, um, mister and then Maria,
827
00:50:54.930 --> 00:50:58.210
which is Mother Mary in Catholic. Why, why we,
828
00:50:58.210 --> 00:51:02.130
why is it Ginoongan instead of Ginoong is the female, right? Yeah.
829
00:51:02.620 --> 00:51:07.450
Because of the Spanish. They always make sure that the male is the,
830
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:10.850
is the main, the top, the alpha, you know? But,
831
00:51:11.540 --> 00:51:14.410
so now I start to change it. I say Maria.
832
00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:15.893
[Nolan] Ah, nice.</v>
833
00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:21.840
[Aeron] I tried to correct those little things and uh, yeah, I mean it's crazy.</v>
834
00:51:22.270 --> 00:51:25.520
[Nolan] Well, breaking those things ties into something, uh,</v>
835
00:51:25.630 --> 00:51:30.600
that I was looking up before this and it's Filipino psychology and I didn't know
836
00:51:30.600 --> 00:51:34.080
it was a thing until I started preparing for, for our conversation.
837
00:51:34.080 --> 00:51:36.320
Have you heard about Filipino psychology?
838
00:51:37.340 --> 00:51:39.200
[Aeron] Not really, no. Okay.</v>
839
00:51:39.200 --> 00:51:41.600
[Nolan] So it, apparently it was formal. I'll, I'll read a little bit.</v>
840
00:51:41.600 --> 00:51:46.120
What I have here was formalized in 1975 and it was against the psychology
841
00:51:46.350 --> 00:51:50.240
that promotes the colonial mentality. Um,
842
00:51:50.980 --> 00:51:52.600
and then, uh,
843
00:51:52.600 --> 00:51:56.400
it involves like searching for local equivalents for commonly used
844
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.400
psychological, uh, concepts.
845
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:03.320
And then the indigenization from within this process in which the knowledge
846
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:07.280
and methods related to psychology are derived from the local culture. Now,
847
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.120
I don't want to get into a whole lesson here,
848
00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:13.520
but what it pretty much all came down to was that the,
849
00:52:14.260 --> 00:52:14.860
the,
850
00:52:14.860 --> 00:52:19.440
the Filipino culture before colonialization was so much more about
851
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.200
group think and um,
852
00:52:22.250 --> 00:52:26.680
as you mentioned also more about the matriarchal cultures and just thinking of
853
00:52:26.680 --> 00:52:29.230
each other as equals. Um,
854
00:52:29.230 --> 00:52:32.550
which we kind of talked about at the beginning of the podcast as well.
855
00:52:33.620 --> 00:52:36.910
So do, do you think that this is,
856
00:52:38.150 --> 00:52:40.860
is coming back now or.
857
00:52:41.940 --> 00:52:43.190
[Aeron] What do you mean? Like, which one?</v>
858
00:52:43.390 --> 00:52:47.590
[Nolan] <Inaudible>. Like, like this, this idea of um,</v>
859
00:52:47.860 --> 00:52:49.830
well decolonization, right?
860
00:52:49.830 --> 00:52:53.670
So kind of getting rid of all these values that the Spanish.
861
00:52:53.970 --> 00:52:57.750
[Aeron] I'm trying to do that now myself personally. You know, I'm trying to,</v>
862
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:03.340
of course I'm always trying to understand that colonization
863
00:53:03.340 --> 00:53:08.020
brought positive thing as well. You know, I, but yes,
864
00:53:08.020 --> 00:53:11.820
I see that more and more, um, the by in,
865
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:13.780
which is the old script,
866
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:18.830
the way we write was eradicated by the Spanish to
867
00:53:18.830 --> 00:53:22.310
replaced by the Roman letters. I'm trying to learn that.
868
00:53:22.570 --> 00:53:24.510
I'm trying to work on that. Um,
869
00:53:25.180 --> 00:53:29.440
I'm trying to learn and to speak
870
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:34.190
and write in Filipino more or Tagalog. Tagalog.
871
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:39.080
Um, yeah. And it, I, I see it more and more.
872
00:53:39.190 --> 00:53:43.160
I I but however I see it more of the diaspora
873
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.760
happening more than the main, the country.
874
00:53:47.790 --> 00:53:52.260
I feel like the country is still moving, is still,
875
00:53:53.330 --> 00:53:57.870
uh, colonized hard now. Especially the, uh, Korean, uh,
876
00:53:57.870 --> 00:54:01.350
the Pop Korean people like these, they,
877
00:54:01.540 --> 00:54:03.830
I think we need more education there.
878
00:54:03.830 --> 00:54:08.350
There have been a group of people that trying to
879
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bring back teaching of by buy-in and
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it's really hard cuz you know, it's an old way. People was like,
881
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why we have this already, but it's our culture.
882
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It's this is our people, this is our thing.
883
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This is what makes us us. So it's a hard battle.
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But yes,
885
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I've seen a lot of people and one of the people that propagates this is
886
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Christian Baybayin
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He's the one who makes it quote unquote cool again to write by
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Baybayin. Learn by Baybayin. It's a great, beautiful letters, beautiful characters.
889
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And, uh, just even also mentality, again, like me, I personally,
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00:54:47.720 --> 00:54:52.530
I tell people stop with the stop with um, um,
891
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uh, oh the, the colorism. Uh,
892
00:54:56.830 --> 00:54:59.880
stop with the nose thing. Uh,
893
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.920
what's the nose thing for the people that doesn't know your nose bro?
894
00:55:04.310 --> 00:55:07.120
Them girls will love them nose cuz it's sharp, right?
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Like say Mathos was sharp, my nose is flat and white.
896
00:55:11.740 --> 00:55:15.040
You know, this is not good. This nose no bueno.
897
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the girls will choose you over cuz you're white. Obviously you are,
898
00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:22.960
they'll call you Kanok means American even though you're not American.
899
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They'll just call you that. Uh, like little things like that, people will,
900
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or people even my family would say like, oh, uh,
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00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:34.820
Nolan is good looking cause he's white. I'm like, no, he's not.
902
00:55:34.820 --> 00:55:38.020
He's he's good looking cause he's good looking. Not because he's white. Yes,
903
00:55:38.020 --> 00:55:42.100
it helps that he's white, but doesn't mean he's white.
904
00:55:42.100 --> 00:55:44.620
Automatically means good looking. You know,
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00:55:44.620 --> 00:55:48.820
little things like I personally, I'm trying to, you know, educate myself,
906
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educate my people.
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[Nolan] Um, what about for tourists or digital nomads that go to the Philippines?</v>
908
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Is there anything that they can do to kind of support this
909
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decolonization?
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Or is this kind of just out like the tourists who kind of just stay out of it?
911
00:56:05.810 --> 00:56:08.880
Or is there anything that they can do in the way that they travel to make sure
912
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that they're not supporting like this old colonization?
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[Aeron] Yeah. Stop doing those stupid TikTok things that making fun of my culture.</v>
914
00:56:16.890 --> 00:56:20.180
I hate that shit, dude. Like, oh, in the Philippines,
915
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this is how they call people. Like, yo, you're not helping our culture.
916
00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:28.880
You're getting the likes. I want you to show the culture.
917
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:33.880
I want you to show how we write the clothing that we use, the how lovely we are,
918
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:38.400
how, how giving we are. We can be, bro, if you go to a Filipino house,
919
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.840
they'll be the poorest of the poor. They will make sure you eat well. You know,
920
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.160
they will borrow money,
921
00:56:44.160 --> 00:56:48.560
they will get Utang na loob from other people just to feed you. Okay,
922
00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:51.800
that's what I wanna see. That's, I wanna see that. I don't wanna see those.
923
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:56.520
Like in the Philippines, this is how they call people. Or in the Philippines,
924
00:56:56.520 --> 00:57:00.650
this is how they eat in the sense that that, um,
925
00:57:01.570 --> 00:57:05.760
um, making fun of it and um, what's the word? Um,
926
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I forgot the word. Um, fe fe.
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[Nolan] Fetishise</v>
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[Aeron] Fe fe. Yeah. Fetishises. Is it, I, even. Yeah.</v>
929
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Even pro other Filipinos that does it. I hate that.
930
00:57:19.600 --> 00:57:23.720
Like we are more than that. We are more than that.
931
00:57:23.720 --> 00:57:26.360
We have a culture that we need to propagate.
932
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:31.340
We need to show the people this is us in not with us. Like, you know, oh,
933
00:57:31.340 --> 00:57:34.420
in the Philippines they'll beat you up. Every culture get beat up.
934
00:57:34.420 --> 00:57:38.780
Every kid gets beat up. We're not that, we're more than that, you know? Yeah.
935
00:57:38.870 --> 00:57:43.100
Uh, for the, like again, going back to your question, yeah. Like I said,
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if you are digital nomad and you're a different culture,
937
00:57:46.090 --> 00:57:50.340
show the beauty of the Philippines. Show the culture,
938
00:57:50.450 --> 00:57:54.580
show the day-to-day how we live, how we, you know,
939
00:57:54.580 --> 00:57:59.270
how we deal with people, how we, how we embrace other culture.
940
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That's one thing we,
941
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I also proud of the Philippines is we embrace culture
942
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like that. We, we, if whatever your negative —
943
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whatever your how you are, we will accept it.
944
00:58:12.550 --> 00:58:17.140
We will never force you to accept our culture. We will not do that. However,
945
00:58:17.350 --> 00:58:20.470
we would love to res for you to respect it, you know.
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[Nolan] Good. Uh,</v>
947
00:58:23.770 --> 00:58:28.390
now to tie this into your podcast little bit and just podcasting in general,
948
00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:32.910
and this kind of goes into being a digital nomad because of course you could be
949
00:58:32.910 --> 00:58:36.870
a digital nomad with a podcast if, if you're making a living with it.
950
00:58:36.910 --> 00:58:39.990
And something that I struggle with with my podcast,
951
00:58:39.990 --> 00:58:41.990
and I don't know if you struggle with it at all, is,
952
00:58:41.990 --> 00:58:46.350
but you just brought up this idea of TikTok and Instagram and
953
00:58:47.550 --> 00:58:52.350
these little slices of information to attract people or to entertain
954
00:58:52.350 --> 00:58:55.550
people. When it comes to culture, it's the worst.
955
00:58:55.690 --> 00:58:59.270
And like I do it, I, I try and make these little clips and I,
956
00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:03.910
I make little posts because I want to attract people to the longer
957
00:59:03.950 --> 00:59:07.790
forms that I have here. You know, the longer podcasts, my long articles,
958
00:59:08.370 --> 00:59:12.270
and then I make these little snippets in the hope that it will attract people.
959
00:59:13.290 --> 00:59:18.190
But I know that like 99% of the time it's not attracting people to
960
00:59:18.190 --> 00:59:19.670
the longer form stuff. Hmm.
961
00:59:19.670 --> 00:59:23.880
And all I'm doing is I'm just adding to this mentality of this like quick
962
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:25.120
snippets of information.
963
00:59:25.460 --> 00:59:30.080
And it's especially dangerous when it comes to culture because culture can never
964
00:59:30.080 --> 00:59:34.040
be understood with just like one snippet of information. Because yes,
965
00:59:34.040 --> 00:59:35.880
it might be true in that one context,
966
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:40.680
but you have to read and you have to talk to people about everything that's
967
00:59:40.680 --> 00:59:44.120
around it. Um, how do you deal with it, with,
968
00:59:44.120 --> 00:59:46.560
with your podcast in trying to promote yours?
969
00:59:46.910 --> 00:59:51.800
[Aeron] I just approach it as art. I will create something. I enjoy what I do. I,</v>
970
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.560
I don't, I'm sure you check my audio, my Instagram,
971
00:59:54.560 --> 00:59:58.600
I make this audio reels and I approach them as art.
972
00:59:58.600 --> 01:00:01.290
I create art. Now.
973
01:00:01.700 --> 01:00:06.330
If it brings people to my podcast, amazing. If it doesn't,
974
01:00:06.640 --> 01:00:10.970
what are you gonna do? You know? I and you saying that.
975
01:00:10.970 --> 01:00:12.710
It's, um,
976
01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:18.590
it's helping the idea of, uh, quick click, quick, uh,
977
01:00:18.870 --> 01:00:21.230
quick click or quick click.
978
01:00:21.230 --> 01:00:21.710
[Nolan] Click.</v>
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01:00:21.710 --> 01:00:26.110
[Aeron] Bait and click bait. Hey, that's the name of the game. Yeah.</v>
980
01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:28.910
It's either you get on the game or you get off the game.
981
01:00:28.910 --> 01:00:31.950
You can't change the rules. That's the rule, you know,
982
01:00:32.410 --> 01:00:36.590
you just have to let it go and be, be at peace with it.
983
01:00:36.590 --> 01:00:40.560
That that's the rule of the game. You cannot play basketball and then explain.
984
01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:45.520
It'll be soccer. It, it doesn't work that way, you know? So again, I always,
985
01:00:45.520 --> 01:00:49.240
when I start the podcast up to now, up to however,
986
01:00:49.580 --> 01:00:53.640
how long it lasts, I approach it as art. When I make something,
987
01:00:53.640 --> 01:00:56.560
when I make a post, I spend time on that thing. Dude,
988
01:00:56.830 --> 01:01:01.520
I always think of the every curvature, every font, every placement of the font,
989
01:01:01.520 --> 01:01:06.360
every colour scheme. I think of that all s I don't care if,
990
01:01:06.620 --> 01:01:10.360
hey, listen, if it goes viral and bringing money, don't get me wrong,
991
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.360
that would be amazing. Yeah. But, you know,
992
01:01:13.610 --> 01:01:18.480
Picasso didn't draw expecting he'll get money. He drew
993
01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:22.680
cuz that's what his soul says. So you follow it. He followed it.
994
01:01:22.680 --> 01:01:27.300
That's what I do. I make art. I like call it art. I make the art.
995
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:32.330
And if people likes it, awesome. If people doesn't like it, no, it's okay.
996
01:01:33.090 --> 01:01:37.750
I'm never gonna do the, Hey, in Philippines, this is what we do to get clicks.
997
01:01:37.810 --> 01:01:40.270
Get outta here. Dude. I like this shit. I like talking.
998
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:44.270
I like getting to know people. I like, again, like, like you said,
999
01:01:44.270 --> 01:01:48.270
expanding ideas. What does, I don't know, uh,
1000
01:01:48.270 --> 01:01:49.630
like Utang na loob means,
1001
01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:54.050
let's expand that cuz you can cut that a snippet of an audio.
1002
01:01:54.630 --> 01:01:59.180
But when you're missing the rest of it, now again,
1003
01:01:59.180 --> 01:02:03.300
it's on the people. If they're gonna click, if they're gonna listen, awesome.
1004
01:02:03.350 --> 01:02:05.820
If not, hey ce la vie.
1005
01:02:06.750 --> 01:02:10.400
[Nolan] Yeah, Aaron, I love that man. And I hope a lot of the listeners,</v>
1006
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:14.080
I hope that motivates people to listen to your show as well. Thank you. Uh,
1007
01:02:14.080 --> 01:02:16.840
we're, we're almo. We're at an hour here already. So Aaron,
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01:02:17.080 --> 01:02:20.320
anything else you want to bring up about your show before we end this,
1009
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:21.640
about the immigrant's life?
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01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:23.080
[Aeron] Of course, man,</v>
1011
01:02:23.370 --> 01:02:27.960
if you guys wanna listen to me rambling and talking to cool people and hoping
1012
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:32.460
they'll send me food. My podcast is an Immigrant's Life podcast, uh,
1013
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:35.300
stereo telling storytelling podcast about relation,
1014
01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:40.180
people's relationship with immigrants. And it's like, uh, Nolan's, uh, podcast,
1015
01:02:41.140 --> 01:02:45.070
but pretty much the same. Uh, yeah,
1016
01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:49.110
I'm pretty proud of my podcast. I, like you mentioned on the top,
1017
01:02:49.110 --> 01:02:53.310
which I really do appreciate that I won, well, the podcast won the award for,
1018
01:02:53.310 --> 01:02:57.030
uh, Canadian ethnic, which I didn't expect. Shout out to Franklin Rodriguez,
1019
01:02:57.030 --> 01:03:01.400
my brother, for nominating me. Dude, when they cut me,
1020
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.580
when they called me that I was like, nominated, like,
1021
01:03:05.580 --> 01:03:10.500
I'm close to like the top nominate. I'm like in my head like, why?
1022
01:03:11.110 --> 01:03:14.610
You know? And then they finally called me saying I won. I'm like,
1023
01:03:14.620 --> 01:03:19.160
in my head says, why? I, why, why not?
1024
01:03:19.160 --> 01:03:20.880
Because I don't deserve it.
1025
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:25.690
But you like going back earlier you said that, that,
1026
01:03:25.690 --> 01:03:29.330
uh, political correctness, a lot of people on TikTok social media,
1027
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:34.250
they propagate this idea of, um, hey, uh,
1028
01:03:34.750 --> 01:03:37.650
and how people learn that hound you should change, you know,
1029
01:03:37.650 --> 01:03:41.370
like political correctness. I hate that shit. It's so fake for me.
1030
01:03:41.810 --> 01:03:42.330
[Nolan] Yeah.</v>
1031
01:03:42.330 --> 01:03:45.620
[Aeron] That's what I mean. Like, in my, on my podcasts, if you listen to it,</v>
1032
01:03:45.650 --> 01:03:49.750
I do not do that. I'm like, tell country,
1033
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:54.800
poor country. You know, I get to the, get to the point. Um, I,
1034
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.360
I'm rambling here, but yeah, I, I don't think I've,
1035
01:03:57.750 --> 01:04:01.870
I just listen to my podcasts if you wanna listen. And Matt,
1036
01:04:01.870 --> 01:04:05.750
thank you so much Nolan for having me. It's and such a pleasure.
1037
01:04:05.940 --> 01:04:09.670
[Nolan] Yeah, man. Aaron, it was a pleasure having you on this show. Um, again,</v>
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01:04:09.670 --> 01:04:13.190
I encourage everyone to listen to the immigrants life, if you like,
1039
01:04:13.190 --> 01:04:16.190
without borders, I think you'll love the immigrants life. As you can see,
1040
01:04:16.190 --> 01:04:19.030
Aaron and I share a lot of the same values, of course,
1041
01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:20.590
have very different backgrounds,
1042
01:04:20.590 --> 01:04:22.510
so you'll get a lot of different perspectives still.
1043
01:04:23.010 --> 01:04:25.670
And I remember if you wanna support this show,
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01:04:25.680 --> 01:04:29.430
go to www.without borders.fyi.
1045
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I also share a bunch of articles about cultural psychology there,
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01:04:33.550 --> 01:04:34.390
cultural competence,
1047
01:04:34.730 --> 01:04:38.310
and then I tell a lot of stories there as well in the written form.
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So please tune in next time. There’s a new episode every Tuesday.